Rioting in Creggan, Londonderry.

Standard practice is, and always was, Londonderry in first reference, Derry in second and subsequent references.

It may gall you but when 95% of the population of a place call it by a certain name, then that is most likely to be the place's name, whatever it's "official" name might be.

And I never heard any squaddie posted there calling it anything other than Derry, only some Rupert being interviewed on the BBC called it Londonderry and then it was usually pronounced "Londondrie"
True that where I live most of the locals call Kimmel Bay, Criminal Bay because of the thefts from shops in the area in tourist season

I've never heard anyone complain about it being called thus
 
That is not correct. All of the original members of CIRA and then RIRA were former Provisionals who left because they were unhappy with decisions made within PSF/PIRA. For RSF/CIRA it was taking seats won in elections in the ROI and for 32CSM/RIRA it was the ceasefire.

They have recruited a lot of new, younger people since then but those at the top pulling the strings are almost all former Provos.
At the start a lot of that would have been true not so sure if that’s the situation now... I’d say it could be people that they have indoctrinated at this stage
 
At the start a lot of that would have been true not so sure if that’s the situation now... I’d say it could be people that they have indoctrinated at this stage
Most of the main leadership roles are still held by the older crowd. That has always been CIRA's problem with holding on to the younger ones. The leadership are too old and stuck in the past.
 

skid2

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That is not correct. All of the original members of CIRA and then RIRA were former Provisionals who left because they were unhappy with decisions made within PSF/PIRA. For RSF/CIRA it was taking seats won in elections in the ROI and for 32CSM/RIRA it was the ceasefire.

They have recruited a lot of new, younger people since then but those at the top pulling the strings are almost all former Provos.
Disgruntled, disaffected ones too unable to give a cohesive lead. Splintered is good and you have to agree they are in no way able to recruit as easily as they once did.

Nor are they held in the same sort of 'esteem' in the community as they used to be.
Times have moved on.
 
Disgruntled, disaffected ones too unable to give a cohesive lead. Splintered is good and you have to agree they are in no way able to recruit as easily as they once did.

Nor are they held in the same sort of 'esteem' in the community as they used to be.
Times have moved on.
More a difference in opinion on strategy. PIRA/PSF have not 'moved on', this is just another phase in the struggle. As irlsgt pointed out earlier the Dissidents are the ones who believed the Provisional leadership 'sold out'.

They had enough 'esteem in the community' last night to out a hundred or so kids on the streets of the Creggan to riot for them at very short notice. Look at the numbers who turn up for the Easter commemorations this weekend. Some of the DR ones have been larger than the PSF/PIRA ones in recent years.
 
More a difference in opinion on strategy. PIRA/PSF have not 'moved on', this is just another phase in the struggle. As irlsgt pointed out earlier the Dissidents are the ones who believed the Provisional leadership 'sold out'.

They had enough 'esteem in the community' last night to out a hundred or so kids on the streets of the Creggan to riot for them at very short notice. Look at the numbers who turn up for the Easter commemorations this weekend. Some of the DR ones have been larger than the PSF/PIRA ones in recent years.

There were maybe a dozen active rioters, with a lot of hangers on filming it with their phones.

Compared with riots in Derry during the hunger strikes or even after Drumcree in 96 it was an insignificant affair. The only reason we even know it occurred was because of the tragic death of the young woman.
 
"The Crown Forces have waged a campaign of oppression in Republican Derry, and the community has endured ongoing State Violence in the area, with deafening silence from the political establishment representatives in the area. Saoradh has not shied away from highlighting this, including attacks on our members. In doing so we have continually gave our analysis that this oppression would inevitably be met with resistance, as has historically been the case.
"The inevitable reaction to such an incursion was resistance from the youth of Creggan. The blame for last night lies squarely at the feet of the British Crown Forces, who sought to grab headlines and engineered confrontation with the community.
"During this attack on the community, a Republican Volunteer attempted to defend people from the PSNI/RUC. Tragically a young journalist covering the events, Lyra McKee, was killed accidentally while standing behind armed Crown Force personnel and armoured vehicles.
"This outcome is heartbreaking and we extend our sincerest sympathy to the family, friends and loved ones of the deceased.”

Mealy mouthed cowardly scum.
 
Random you say?

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"The Crown Forces have waged a campaign of oppression in Republican Derry, and the community has endured ongoing State Violence in the area, with deafening silence from the political establishment representatives in the area. Saoradh has not shied away from highlighting this, including attacks on our members. In doing so we have continually gave our analysis that this oppression would inevitably be met with resistance, as has historically been the case.
"The inevitable reaction to such an incursion was resistance from the youth of Creggan. The blame for last night lies squarely at the feet of the British Crown Forces, who sought to grab headlines and engineered confrontation with the community.
"During this attack on the community, a Republican Volunteer attempted to defend people from the PSNI/RUC. Tragically a young journalist covering the events, Lyra McKee, was killed accidentally while standing behind armed Crown Force personnel and armoured vehicles.
"This outcome is heartbreaking and we extend our sincerest sympathy to the family, friends and loved ones of the deceased.”

Mealy mouthed cowardly scum.
I believe the comments by Derry people in reply to this statement on Twitter and Facebook have been universally condemnatory.
 
The report I heard this morning was that the gunman pointed the weapon around a corner and fired indiscriminately in the general direction

Rip
He knelt at the corner of the street and aimed up the street towards the wagons.

There's video footage from a few yards away, showing him shooting, someone picking up the discarded shells and the screams from the bystanders up the street, when the women was hit in the head.
 
I believe the comments by Derry people in reply to this statement on Twitter and Facebook have been universally condemnatory.
They're getting hammered on twitter by locals.. Resulting in their Easter Rising show of strength being called off.
 
I believe the comments by Derry people in reply to this statement on Twitter and Facebook have been universally condemnatory.
As someone born and raised in the town, that's the most vomit inducing piece of diatribe I've read today.
True to form, the author has avoided their drug and gangster activities in the area, choosing to sell their intentions of murder and mayhem as a result of PSNI going about their job.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
More a difference in opinion on strategy. PIRA/PSF have not 'moved on', this is just another phase in the struggle. As irlsgt pointed out earlier the Dissidents are the ones who believed the Provisional leadership 'sold out'.

They had enough 'esteem in the community' last night to out a hundred or so kids on the streets of the Creggan to riot for them at very short notice. Look at the numbers who turn up for the Easter commemorations this weekend. Some of the DR ones have been larger than the PSF/PIRA ones in recent years.
More a difference in opinion on strategy. PIRA/PSF have not 'moved on', this is just another phase in the struggle. As irlsgt pointed out earlier the Dissidents are the ones who believed the Provisional leadership 'sold out'.

They had enough 'esteem in the community' last night to out a hundred or so kids on the streets of the Creggan to riot for them at very short notice. Look at the numbers who turn up for the Easter commemorations this weekend. Some of the DR ones have been larger than the PSF/PIRA ones in recent years.
So much so they aren't taking part in their big day out and have scrubbed attending the parade in Derry.
It'll be interesting to see how Belfast pans out. I suspect a show of something, somewhere other than the usual venues.
 
The report I heard this morning was that the gunman pointed the weapon around a corner and fired indiscriminately in the general direction

Rip
Heroic actions indeed from that brave volunteer, who was only “protecting an oppressed community” according to that mealy mouthed, pathetic statement.
:x
 

Helm

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"The Crown Forces have waged a campaign of oppression in Republican Derry, and the community has endured ongoing State Violence in the area, with deafening silence from the political establishment representatives in the area. Saoradh has not shied away from highlighting this, including attacks on our members. In doing so we have continually gave our analysis that this oppression would inevitably be met with resistance, as has historically been the case.
"The inevitable reaction to such an incursion was resistance from the youth of Creggan. The blame for last night lies squarely at the feet of the British Crown Forces, who sought to grab headlines and engineered confrontation with the community.
"During this attack on the community, a Republican Volunteer attempted to defend people from the PSNI/RUC. Tragically a young journalist covering the events, Lyra McKee, was killed accidentally while standing behind armed Crown Force personnel and armoured vehicles.
"This outcome is heartbreaking and we extend our sincerest sympathy to the family, friends and loved ones of the deceased.”

Mealy mouthed cowardly scum.
Christ, that's pathetic even by the standards of those low lives.
 
There were maybe a dozen active rioters, with a lot of hangers on filming it with their phones.

Compared with riots in Derry during the hunger strikes or even after Drumcree in 96 it was an insignificant affair. The only reason we even know it occurred was because of the tragic death of the young woman.
10 to 20% actively rioting with the remainder observing/joining in occasionally. So, same as every riot ever then?
 
So much so they aren't taking part in their big day out and have scrubbed attending the parade in Derry.
It'll be interesting to see how Belfast pans out. I suspect a show of something, somewhere other than the usual venues.
Only the Londonderry one has been cancelled, Lurgan, Armagh, Rosslea, Belfast, Donegal and Dublin are all still going ahead.
 

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