Rifkind on Defence (The Times 01/02/10)

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  1. Well, if we involved the Germans, certainly.. But considering the French are at odds with the septics, it'd make it hard for us to deploy. Mind you, the idea of a combined force across the 3 countries.. Hmm. Interesting thought.

    Hes quite right however - we've got the make the choice of if we wish to remain a Global power, and retain our military strength, or drop into the background like Spain and Italy.
     
  2. Thanks for the link. In fact Liam Fox has already said that he intended to work with France, "which is also bearing a heavy fighting burden" in contrast with certain other countries, to "grasp the NATO nettle". LINK

    Personally I suggest that talk of "surrender monkeys" is taking your international defence strategy from Groundskeeper Willie in the Simpsons.
     
  3. No it was a cheap joke, I know and respect the French Armed forces as a very professional and very potent force. I also know how hard they actually fought in 1940 to prevent the overwhelming force of the German Army coming through the Ardennes. However, given that the French government in 1982 were initially opposed to our sending the task force to recover the Falklands, that certainly would be a difficult situation to work through.
     
  4. Why does UK want a big international role ?
    We are a tiny island and should not be playing with all the Big boys on the international agenda.
    The days of Empire have gone as has the large navy and fairsized but well equiped & trained Army.
    john
     
  5. Agreed - we should 'bin' the global role. (The word 'global' having been corrupted by Brown and his constant reference to 'global financial problems' and 'global warming').

    We should however, keep as powerful Armed Forces as affordable (at present affordable = none) and keep our Permanent Seat on the Security Council of the United Nationals - if only to annoy the European Soviet Union.

    I have not yet developed my strategy for what we would do with our 'powerful Armed Forces', but they would include a third - nuclear powered - super carrier; appropriate numbers of aircraft and escort vessels; doubling of the Trident fleet; raising on a 'county' basis fifteen infantry battalions and a fourth parachute battalion (fully trained); establishment of five Military (Joint Service) Hospitals; the division of the RAF 'twixt Royal Navy and the Army - as a start.
     
  6. The french aren't massively keen on the Germans at the moment either.
     
  7. yawn.
     
  8. Oh good, is it time for Round 3?
    That should put and end to this EU nonsense :lol:
     
  9. Well, they have been overdue to give most of Europe a shoeing by some 40 years now, I believe? ;)
     
  10. Wait until peak oil.

    Defence spending around the globe will skyrocket if no alternative energy source can be found.
     
  11. in_the_cheapseats

    in_the_cheapseats LE Moderator

    Who are the big boys, pray tell. Militarily USA - yes...... after that it is a bit difficult to say isn't it? The remainder don't deploy. China, India etc - the coming powers

    That means we should look at the financial power houses and for that we are still in the top 6, I think. Still a big boy in that respect.......

    However, the mindset of "Empire has gone;time to review" is an comment I agree with
     
  12. And then we have the joy of lengthy resource wars.. yahey.
     
  13. Look- if we are going to have a good war in Europe we need to think seriously about the consequences. What really matters is which corner of Europe we will occupy at the end of it. We have done over half a century on god-forsaken plains of North Germany. They are cold, wet and dull with unfriendly humourless locals and shite food.

    The only answer is next time, we side with the Germans (Belgians, dutch and others) against the French. At the end of it we claim the nice bits of France - Med Coast, ski resorts, wine growing areas etc. We won't be around to support the French Resistance, so they will revert to collaberation mode. Germans will be happy with Alsace/Lorraine area. Spanish will have all of Pyrennes. Dutch and Belgians can have bits of the North Coast thereby securing our Channel Ports.
     
  14. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    There is absolutely nothing there to disagree with! :D