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Ridiculous shit installed in new cars ...

Landrover do the same playing a V6 or 8 growl through the speakers......
What bugs me is all these little hot hatches and so called performance cars that blip the throttle on down shifts and make strange farting noises or make some engineered false sound as the exhaust flaps open when you floor it...
Audis and VW's with DSG boxes are a prime example although they all seem to be as bad now .....the last good sounding BMW was the 3.0 CSL with the carbon roof from about 8-10 years ago .... what all the manufacturers seem to forget is a good portion of noise from a performance engine is induction noise........

Why did a Mk2 escort BDA sound so good ? because it had twin 48's on short inlets with just a little foam to dampen the noise as it sucked air at 7500 rpm.

By fitting these devices all the manufacturers recognise that driving is as much about audible experience as the ride / feel of the vehicle and performance...... yet they think we are all going to rush and buy an EV that sounds like a milk float....
 
Diifferent situation to the one I was imagining and you hinted at - most manufacturers price body repair parts according to what insurers will stand... body panels, front & rear trims and closures, door mirrors etc. are not usually 'cost plus %' but 'what the market will stand' - and they're all at it. The best defence is often a decent dashcam - Thinkware, etc. but often the process of notifying, claiming and providing evidence can be so onerous and drawn-out it's 'cheaper' in terms of sanity to pay up and put it behind you.
I was, poorly, trying to make the point that pickups today are massively over specced. Leather seats, electric seats, £500 door mirrors. On another thread people are commenting on the price of a new Defender but silent on the cost of an Amarok or AT Dmax.
 

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
I was, poorly, trying to make the point that pickups today are massively over specced. Leather seats, electric seats, £500 door mirrors. On another thread people are commenting on the price of a new Defender but silent on the cost of an Amarok or AT Dmax.
I'm 100% in agreement with you there! - on all points.
 

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
In my world drilling = Planting seeds and stuff ;-) ....not a scooby how they do stuff underground ...
Ahh.. OK, saw something about the London underground recently and made an assumption....
 
I'm assuming you're referring to tunnel boring / coating type stuff? if so, how does GPS work through many metres of ground and buildings above it? I know it's a different level of tech but vehicle systems lose it completely in a tunnel over ~500m, granted, the velocity is very different but it's always been something that puzzled me.
Tunnel borers operate from a series of surveyed temporary bench marks. The initial bench marks will be set up at the excavation using GPS and transferred forward by the surveyors as the machines move forward. The machines themselves are laser guided in three dimensions. Marks will also be set by GPS wherever possible at an opening to the surface.

The construction industry works to millimeter accuracy, not centimetres.
 

NSP

LE
My Merc doesn’t even come with a tyre fixer spray thing or compressor.
On enquiring - ‘it’s got run flats sir’.
What happens if I want to put normal tyres on? Tyres that I don’t have to shout at the passenger in order to be heard, on?
Or that don't cost an arm and a leg to replace when they are worn out...
 

NSP

LE
I'm assuming you're referring to tunnel boring / coating type stuff? if so, how does GPS work through many metres of ground and buildings above it? I know it's a different level of tech but vehicle systems lose it completely in a tunnel over ~500m, granted, the velocity is very different but it's always been something that puzzled me.
When they are guiding the bits on directional drill strings for oil wells, etc. they don't use GPS. They use the Earth's magnetic field lines, having mapped them first. Ditto gravimeter data. I imagine tunnel-borers are similarly positioned.

Here's a noisy, whiny gravimeter and associated noisy dot matrix printer. The baby-sitter got well shirty if anything touched it, like A0 charts flopping over the edge of the plotter basket. This ignored the small detail that he'd already propped all that card and hardboard up against and on it so its sensitive little soul didn't get disturbed by anything touching it...

:rolleyes:

Whining gravity1.jpg
 

NSP

LE
By fitting these devices all the manufacturers recognise that driving is as much about audible experience as the ride / feel of the vehicle and performance...... yet they think we are all going to rush and buy an EV that sounds like a milk float....
And costs two or three times as much as the petrol version...
 
When they are guiding the bits on directional drill strings for oil wells, etc. they don't use GPS. They use the Earth's magnetic field lines, having mapped them first. Ditto gravimeter data. I imagine tunnel-borers are similarly positioned.

Here's a noisy, whiny gravimeter and associated noisy dot matrix printer. The baby-sitter got well shirty if anything touched it, like A0 charts flopping over the edge of the plotter basket. This ignored the small detail that he'd already propped all that card and hardboard up against and on it so its sensitive little soul didn't get disturbed by anything touching it...

:rolleyes:

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No, most are laser guided. The lasers are set up by conventional surveying, using GPS for fixing the bench mark. The latest machines are self-guiding using laser gyroscopes for azimuth.
 
Who thought it was a good idea to equip pickups with electric folding, heated, indicating mirrors ? They are working vehicles, hitting a door mirror on a tree/hedge/barn shouldn't cost £500.

Because most big pickups and 4x4s these days are driven by mummies on the school run, or insurance salesmen/lawyers/dentists who have no clue and drive like cunts.

Known as Sandton pavement crushers in these parts, after an upmarket part of Johannesburg.
 
Because most big pickups and 4x4s these days are driven by mummies on the school run, or insurance salesmen/lawyers/dentists who have no clue and drive like cunts.

Known as Sandton pavement crushers in these parts, after an upmarket part of Johannesburg.
There are a couple of Ford Rangers near here used solely as school run panzers. A bit de trop I feel, I wouldn't have one as I think they are too big and heavy now. Also, I'm too short to reach anything in the loadbed.
 
Tunnel borers operate from a series of surveyed temporary bench marks. The initial bench marks will be set up at the excavation using GPS and transferred forward by the surveyors as the machines move forward. The machines themselves are laser guided in three dimensions. Marks will also be set by GPS wherever possible at an opening to the surface.

The construction industry works to millimeter accuracy, not centimetres.

I know nothing of surveying but how is curvature of the earth factored in?
 

Blogg

LE
Because most big pickups and 4x4s these days are driven by mummies on the school run, or insurance salesmen/lawyers/dentists who have no clue and drive like cunts.

Known as Sandton pavement crushers in these parts, after an upmarket part of Johannesburg.

Hereabouts such vehicles referred to as bitch wagons.

There is a private school on outskirts of village where vast numbers of such vehicles congregate twice daily.

Mornings sees skinny wimmin in lycra gym kit with hair scraped back, sometimes still wet. Afternoon same creatures but in full regalia.

Mrs B tells me the morning gym gear is a shallow ruse as they don't have inclination to do the hair and warpaint before or whilst hassling brats to school.

Upmarket version of driving kids to school in PJ's and dressing gown.
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
Who thought it was a good idea to equip pickups with electric folding, heated, indicating mirrors ? They are working vehicles, hitting a door mirror on a tree/hedge/barn shouldn't cost £500.
The same idiots that tripled them in size, added over powerful engines and steering systems Africans wheels and massive bonnets
Sold mainly for builders wives to take the kids to school in
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
The same idiots that tripled them in size, added over powerful engines and steering systems Africans wheels and massive bonnets
Sold mainly for builders wives to take the kids to school in
That was given away when they started to advertise reversing cameras as wife and girlfriend packs.
 

aardvark64

War Hero
I know nothing of surveying but how is curvature of the earth factored in?
You have to apply an extra dollop of my new product Gravity™ to the photons as they leave the aperture of the laser. I have a special applicator to do this called a Dynamic Interferrometryl Laser Device for Obscuration™. All for sale at a reasonable price, call toll-free on this number (+1) 0-605-475-6968 or via the web-site here.

No?

Large-area surveying (geodetic surveying) uses an ellipsoid such as WGS-84 to correct for curvature when dealing with lengths, areas and angles. You also have to worry about refraction effects as the laser passes through regions of air at different turbulence, density and humidity.

For quick and dirty estimates, there are coefficients to apply to the triangulation equations; for more accurate surveys, apply the stricter atmospheric and geodesic modelling corrections. Laser survey stations should have these built in already: how far away, means how much of a correction to apply (think ships' masts appearing over the horizon first as they get nearer).

Simples.
 
You're going to love the flat earth baiters vids on yootoob. The amount of wibbling lunacy from the tinfoil hat wearers is humorously epic.
 

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