Riddled with the bone idle: Fire chief's devastating verdict on public sector

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The public services are riddled with ‘bone idle people’ who have damaged the productivity of the state sector, a leading fire chief has claimed.

In a withering attack on the malaise gripping the public sector, Tony McGuirk has warned that unless bosses are prepared to sack lazy workers, they will never make the kind of savings necessary to put the economy back on course.

Mr McGuirk, chief fire officer of Merseyside, sparked outrage at the TUC conference yesterday by saying that he has been able to slash staff numbers by 40 per cent and actually provide a better service.


Read more: Fire chief Tony McGuirk 's devastating verdict on bone idle public sector | Mail Online

Well, well, what a turn up :)
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This is terrible. We can't have people telling the truth. We're just not used to it.
 

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#6
You can tell he's not an FBU rep can't you!

That reads like the opening salvo in the next battle between the FBU and government cuts . . . . followed by strikes and much great PR for the MOD for once again bailing the ******* out!
 
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Interesting.
I'd not heard of all those posts vanishing.
They were either incredibly over staffed or someones stretching the truth.
As an example.
You need a crew of five for the first of two appliances, four for the second.
A single pump station will have five.
If they still have the same number of appliances and stations I wonder where the excess was employed?
Doesn't add up to me.
 
#8
Ah, a thread involving Firemen. No doubt HOllOS and his FBU mates will be along soon to give us their narcissistic militant viewpoint.

The fire chief said that his cuts had led to personal abuse. ‘There were 2,000 people walking through Liverpool wearing shirts saying on the back “I hate McGuirk”,’ he said.
No doubt he will tell us all why he thinks the actions quoted above are justified?
 
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‘Here’s one of the things we did, get a grip on sickness. It is epidemic in the public sector.'
Birmingham City Council has a problem with sickness, they'll pay full pay for 6 months before reducing it to half pay. People stay on the sick with an undiagnosable back problem for 5 months 29 days then come back to work for a bit. Someone has to cover their job therefore having 2 people for the same position.

West Midlands Fire Brigade are bad as well, I went to do some work at their HQ site and sat around drinking coffee with their IT Dept for most of it as they couldn't be bothered to fix some faults they had open. When they escorted us to where we were working the delight on the peoples face was amazing, they'd been waiting for over a month for someone to come and fix a radio which as it turned out, wasn't even broken. The fact that they weren't even there to look at the radio didn't suprise them, they weren't expecting it to be fixed for some time.
 

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If you start bullying people to work they simply go off sick and come back six months later when they are at risk of going onto half pay. The really ill people then don't come back to work, the workshy do.
 
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If you start bullying people to work they simply go off sick and come back six months later when they are at risk of going onto half pay. The really ill people then don't come back to work, the workshy do.
Very true. We have checks and measures all over our sickness.
Look up the "Bradford Scale" or score. That's one of our starting points.
You must have strong, fair, impartial absence management with a robust policy.
Where my Mrs works there are numerous "day here, day there" sickies.
Poor planning and management.
 
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Interesting.
I'd not heard of all those posts vanishing.
They were either incredibly over staffed or someones stretching the truth.
As an example.
You need a crew of five for the first of two appliances, four for the second.
A single pump station will have five.
If they still have the same number of appliances and stations I wonder where the excess was employed?
Doesn't add up to me.
It works like this boris,
One pump stations instead of having four watches working the old four on four off system are now reduced to two shifts working an 84 hour week doing days on the station and then being on call from accomodation on the station premises. It,s been on several merseyside stations for a couple of years now and is currently being rolled out throughout several stations in Lancs.
There is also talk of putting second appliances at two pump stations on the same type of shift.
 
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'working' being interpreted slightly differently by the fire service when compared to the dictionary definition...
 

jarrod248

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#16
Very true. We have checks and measures all over our sickness.
Look up the "Bradford Scale" or score. That's one of our starting points.
You must have strong, fair, impartial absence management with a robust policy.
Where my Mrs works there are numerous "day here, day there" sickies.
Poor planning and management.
Yes i've seen this in action when I worked in the prison service, quite a few officers were sacked. I seem to recall the Bradford formula was reported to have been done at the university in Bradford but they denied all knowledge, that could just be a myth though.
 
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It works like this boris,
One pump stations instead of having four watches working the old four on four off system are now reduced to two shifts working an 84 hour week doing days on the station and then being on call from accomodation on the station premises. It,s been on several merseyside stations for a couple of years now and is currently being rolled out throughout several stations in Lancs.
There is also talk of putting second appliances at two pump stations on the same type of shift.
Hm. Heard something about this. Could you be a bit more specific.
What time start and finish?
How many days?
The one I'd heard of they changed their mind and decided to go for day crewed instead. The view being that the 84 hour shift was good for single crew but not married. Over time it would not be sustainable because people would drift back to shift.
There was talk about extra payment for those on the 84 too.
Probably rumor but I'd certainly like to hear more.
Did McGuirk Sack anyone or has he just used natural wastage?
 
#18
'working' being interpreted slightly differently by the fire service when compared to the dictionary definition...
Hm. I'd love to be able to argue with you but I can't. I know of Services/stations where this was (and still might be!) true.
What I would say is don't judge all of us like that. Again it's an example of poor management and direction.
PS I've never worked like that, even in "the good old days!!"
 
#19
If you start bullying people to work they simply go off sick and come back six months later when they are at risk of going onto half pay. The really ill people then don't come back to work, the workshy do.
I take it full sick pay for 6 months is in their contract. Private sector 7 days off, then SSP. Harsh but that’s the regs.
 
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Oh look, another story about how shit the public sector are, anybody might think there's an agenda to all this mud slinging.
 

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