Rhodesia (and its Bush War)

When I look back at Rhodesia I find it a really interesting bit of history in the context of the time.

Here is a biased Rhodesian documentary from 1978, yet in hindsight it's quite on the money with its predictions of Zanu-PF

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Listen to the padres, they must be right!

I see South Africa as maintaining a strict racialist society with three tiers, white, "coloured" and black, in that order of respect.

Rhodesia does appear to be quite different. Ostensibly a white majority refused independence to maintain control, racism 101. Yet unlike South Africa, Rhodesia allowed educated blacks to join government and succeed - meritocracy. The problem of course was that if you were poor this was damn hard and not really helped by government policy.

One thing that's true is that Rhodesian policy (and that of Thatcher to SA) was governed by anti-Marxism in the light of the Cold War. I would really be interested to hear from Rhodies because from what I read Rhodesia was a country run by a white minority looking out for itself, as opposed to South Africa an overt and deliberate rascist society.

Anyway, that documentaries prediction were spot on about the Marxists destroying the country. A white said "If the rest of Africa represents the alternative system then I am against it". I bet he lost his farm.
 
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Friend of mine spent 14 years in the BSAP Support Unit. He has some stories!
Closest I came to a good story chap was 3Y with the BSAP, which is a tangent then he did 35y with the RHKP ended up a top 8 officer post independence with a pension from the Chinese!
 

JockScot

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Was always intrested in both Rhodesia and the Bush War, shocking what eventually happened to the country. Now Robert Mugabe and his crowd are calling for he return of the whites to the lands which they stole from them. Mugabe let the Rhodesia rot when it became Zimbabwe and when they prosecuted the whites.

Good slideshow about the war with a track recorded about the war as well.
 
^ Slideshow good, the music accompaniment is crap. But then, I wouldn't know a good song if it jumped up and bit me on the arrse.
 

AlienFTM

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May find this interesting.

 

AlienFTM

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I've only heard of the Philistines in the bible, was there a reason they were also known as the Philistines?
The refusal to wear socks is frowned upon in certain religious quarters.
Closer to the truth than you might think. Rhodesian regular forces were very old school. This unit was put together and shoehorned into the OrBat with little official approval. Grown ups didn't like them being a rule unto themselves.

Read the book, it all becomes clear.
 
If you are in Bedford make enquires to see the Rhodesian (RLI) Collection at the RAFA/Legion Club on Ashburnham Road. Guest Speaker are ex Rhodies who in the main served with the RLI.
 
Closer to the truth than you might think. Rhodesian regular forces were very old school. This unit was put together and shoehorned into the OrBat with little official approval. Grown ups didn't like them being a rule unto themselves.

Read the book, it all becomes clear.
It was a South African unit, not a Rhodesian one, though to a large extent made up of men who had previously served in the Rhodesian Army, many of them in the RLI.
 
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Closer to the truth than you might think. Rhodesian regular forces were very old school. This unit was put together and shoehorned into the OrBat with little official approval. Grown ups didn't like them being a rule unto themselves.

Read the book, it all becomes clear.
I don't need to read the book - I was there. 1981 - they weren't all that popular with the very Afrikaans SADF - they did manage to generate an enormous amounts of shoulder flashes though.
 

AlienFTM

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It was a South African unit, not a Rhodesian one, though to a large extent made up of men who had previously served in the Rhodesian Army, many of them in the RLI.
Sorry, you're quite right. It's a long time since I read and reviewed it for Arrse, then I gave to book to the Bovvy Christmas to be sold on.
 
I have a very vague knowledge of Rhodesia having spent a month there in 1974 as a 12 year old staying with an aged aunt who was the widow of a former commissioner of BSAP. As such I had excellent access to all the sites, went on patrol with the Selous Scouts and even met Ian Smith. Looking back on it, they were very ballsy people and they had every right to try to maintain what they had achieved since the 1890s. However, there was a real inevitability about their last stand which rather comes to mind when I hear Brexiters talk about the utopia of life outside the EU.

Just to add, I worked with an old Rhodie security guy en Kenya last year, ex C Sqn, salt of the earth. Now resident in South Africa like many but he's never really moved on in his mind. As far as he's concerned, life stopped in 1980.
 
Part of me thinks you're joking, the other part doesn't.
Not at all. I went to Vic Falls, Kariba, Wankie National Park. Spent a week on a coffee farm outside Umtali. The farmer was a distant relative and part time scout. He took me out in the bush with his FN. OK, I may be gilding the lilly to say I went on patrol with the Selous Scouts, but it was a good dit at the time. And I met Ian Smith and President Dumont. Ian Smith made me promise to come back and join the BSAP. Of course I promised but sadly events overtook us.
 

JockScot

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[QUOTE="Jorrocks, post: 7233005, member: 16023" And I met Ian Smith .[/QUOTE]
How did you go about this?
 

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