RFA Fort Victoria thwarts another pirate attack

#1
Ministry of Defence said:
Royal Fleet Auxiliary (RFA) vessel Fort Victoria has disrupted a group of pirates operating off the coast of Somalia, the second such disruption by the ship in four weeks and the sixth since her deployment.

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#2
So, big, large (relatively cheap) ship, that can carry ORCs and Pac 24s, as well as a decent EMF, can do the job of an FF/DD. Remind me again why we're loosing the intellectual battle for buying lots of high-end T26s?
 
#3
Alfred, are you actually Lewis Page? ;)
 
#4
Cheeky bugger. I am on record saying that some of more sensible ideas are worth pursuing....
 
#5
I was just thinking that....

Why exactly are the Royal Navies specialised G4 (or S4) division handling these sort of ops? Where are the FIGHTING ships of Her Brittanic Majesty's Royal Navy?
 

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#6
This game isn't really about the ships, its about the helicopters (for surveillance as well as action) and boarding parties. What happens to be carting them about is secondary. This is not a shoot-em-up game, it is a police action under Govt-set RoE, and it's about containment and (perhaps) deterrence, although both are inhibited by massive funding from ransoms.
 

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#7
Old ships.

Best scran in the fleet.
 
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I take it nobody noticed the RM head boy of Fort Victoria is a Colonel?
It would suggest a slightly different focus than it would be if a destroyer or frigate was used wouldn't it? A big flight deck and lots of Royal Marines......
 

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#9
I suspect (from my armchair) the RM colonel has some sort of coordination/leadership role across all the various ships involved and is part of the Command team for what is going on.
 
#10
as the "enemy" are in fishing boats and small boats not sure what a destroyer brings to the party.
4.5 inch and missiles being slight over kill
 
#12
as the "enemy" are in fishing boats and small boats not sure what a destroyer brings to the party.
4.5 inch and missiles being slight over kill
Overkill? I'm not too sure what that is. Are you some sort of commie? These are pirates, they should be shelled to death, missiled to pieces, then their dirty little corpses should be hung out at the nearest port to deter the others.

Overkill indeed.
 

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I take it nobody noticed the RM head boy of Fort Victoria is a Colonel?
It would suggest a slightly different focus than it would be if a destroyer or frigate was used wouldn't it? A big flight deck and lots of Royal Marines......
I'm guessing that the booty Colonel is just visiting and is not part of the main effort. Once the flight is onboard (around 120 bods) there isn't much accommodation space for anyone else. At most there are probably about 12 booties onboard from FPG and the Colonel is there for a jolly and to see how his boys are getting on.

The Fort boats look massive but most of the space is taken up by fuel and stores, there is a big clearway down the centre of 1 deck and most of the accommodation branches off that. RFA lads up fwd and RN lads aft. Most of the booties will be slumming it in one of the 30 man mess decks with the flight's JRs or if they are lucky they might have blagged the hospital ward to doss in.
 
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I'm guessing that the booty Colonel is just visiting and is not part of the main effort. Once the flight is onboard (around 120 bods) there isn't much accommodation space for anyone else. At most there are probably about 12 booties onboard from FPG and the Colonel is there for a jolly and to see how his boys are getting on.

The Fort boats look massive but most of the space is taken up by fuel and stores, there is a big clearway down the centre of 1 deck and most of the accommodation branches off that. RFA lads up fwd and RN lads aft. Most of the booties will be slumming it in one of the 30 man mess decks with the flight's JRs or if they are lucky they might have blagged the hospital ward to doss in.
I shall bow to your superior knowledge, thought I'd seen reference to the same Colonel last time Fort Victoria burnt a pirate motor boat (and on board all the time) but I may have been mistaken!
 
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The pirates were detained and held on Fort Victoria before being put ashore on the Somali mainland. The pirate vessel was destroyed.
That might seem a little limp-wristed but I have it on authority that they all said they were; "Really very sorry for being so naughty and shall not do it again. Ever. Promise." and as far as the Booties could tell none of them were crossing their fingers. That’s that sorted then.
 

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I shall bow to your superior knowledge, thought I'd seen reference to the same Colonel last time Fort Victoria burnt a pirate motor boat (and on board all the time) but I may have been mistaken!
As Seaweed pointed out he may be there to co-ordinate loads of different teams on different ships. Alternatively I could be talking utter shite and there might be 300 of them camping on the clearway which is possible. Either way the galley would have difficulty catering for any more lads than the ship is used to. I suppose if the flight have less than 3 Merlins there would be a little more room.



Slight thread tangent:

Fort boats have a strange atmosphere, there are loads of different organisations onboard with lots of egos flying about, most of the time the ship is crewed by around 100 RFA lads and 10 or 12 RN Weapon and Aircraft Engineers to keep the Phalanxs and hangar equipment in shape (easiest job in NATO). When the ship deploys 120 Merlin blokes join and take over, this pisses off the permanent RN guys because good relationships that have been built up with the RFA guys disappear and the 'us and them' attitude prevails. Throw into the mix some civvy stores guys from DLO, a small amount of nurses and a load of booties and you have the perfect recipe for an unhappy ship with bitching and fighting between the different factions. A few years back the situation got so bad, an RN lad 'disappeared' at sea from the Argus, it is strongly believed by many, that he gobbed off in the bar a little too much and ended up being 'lat and longed' by a couple of disgruntled RFA lads.

Edited to add: I know Argus isn't a Fort boat but the set up onboard is very similar.
 
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I'm guessing that the booty Colonel is just visiting and is not part of the main effort. Once the flight is onboard (around 120 bods) there isn't much accommodation space for anyone else. At most there are probably about 12 booties onboard from FPG and the Colonel is there for a jolly and to see how his boys are getting on.
Wrong I'm afraid. Suffice to say he's there, perhaps at a Rank a little too high, but in a job for a grown-up, with some big decisions to be made.

This game isn't really about the ships, its about the helicopters (for surveillance as well as action) and boarding parties. What happens to be carting them about is secondary.
Exactly. This isn't a job for a high end warship, but because we need to justify our utility, we send a FF/DD to do it. This is a really good job for something like FT VIC; I would hesitate sending a CVS/LPD to do it because the (implied) pressure on the CO to do something "extra" would probably end up getting in the way of the main effort.
 
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This game isn't really about the ships, its about the helicopters (for surveillance as well as action) and boarding parties. What happens to be carting them about is secondary. This is not a shoot-em-up game, [B]it is a police action [/B]under Govt-set RoE, and it's about containment and (perhaps) deterrence, although both are inhibited by massive funding from ransoms.
Not sure that it is anything of the sort. Policing might at least involve nicking people. For complex legal reasons, this is all deemed much too difficult so they just get dropped off home instead and have to spend a few bucks on a new weapon. All good PR - but impact on piracy virtually nil.
 
#20
Until we sort out the root causes of piracy - french and spanish industrial trawlers decimating stocks in the SB, alongside the general Somali situation - it will continue to pay to be a pirate. Even the lowest paid guy is a) getting paid and b) unlikely to be effected by the "International Effort" to combat piracy.

The likelihood of this actually happening is obviously nil, but it keeps the Navies of the world occupied and in the fight for funding.....
 

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