Return to Victorian working standards?

#1
BBC News - Sick Cardiff council workers face no pay for three days Now reading this article is seems if the powers that be are starting to ignore Statitory Sick Pay, perhaps someone can clarify as I thought that was embodied in Law. Also, no pay rise for three years seems very harsh as well. Perhaps this is a test by the Accountants who seem to run this country as to how far they can push it. Now I know some people take the mick out of sick days, classing it as annual leave, but there will be people who are ill coming to work and, spreading their germs, spending all day on the pan with the squits and getting paid, or potentially not going to the Docs with a life threating condition as they cannot afford to lose the money. Seems like a return to Victorian working standards to me so 100 odd years of Unions has been a failure and am almost expecting workhouses to be opening soon.

I am just a little concerned that this is the thin end of the wedge.

Just like to add I am not, nor have ever been "Left Wing", but if this is worrying me then I am getting worried about what I have missed happening elsewhere.
 
#2
I think they've got it wrong on sick pay. I've always found that positive encouragement works better. It's also often a good thing to send sick people home as they don't spread infections around the office.

That said, it's hardly a return to Victorian working standards is it? Why are you 'worried' or 'concerned'?
 
#4
I know my spelling sucks :) I am worried as it came to my mind when reading the article about something I watched on TV years ago where a local football team was invited to play in Italy as the Italians thought they were Man Utd instead of the Man Coal mine team utd, their boss said they are allowed to take the time off but their was no gaurantee their jobs would be their when thay got back.

Just think that there is a slow erosion of workers rights in the name of saving money, as I said thin end of the wedge.
 
#5
Eeeh, I'm off down 't pit tomorrow and 't wife is at Mill.

We're saving oop to have Turnip for Christmas Dinner!

Grand!
 
#6
Just think that there is a slow erosion of workers rights in the name of saving money, as I said thin end of the wedge.
Not automatically a bad thing. There does need to be some balance between worker's rights and the companies they work for making a profit.
 
#8
Personally, I go to work when I'm sick. Sick days are for long weekends on the piss.
It does seem that the occurance of 'Mental Health Days' rises when the sun begins to shine a bit more and there's ale to be drunk. Shocking, eh? :wink:
 
#10
Well we got ourselves involved in a disasterours war in afgahistan so thats a start:)
 
#11
BBC News - Sick Cardiff council workers face no pay for three days Now reading this article is seems if the powers that be are starting to ignore Statitory Sick Pay, perhaps someone can clarify as I thought that was embodied in Law. Also, no pay rise for three years seems very harsh as well. Perhaps this is a test by the Accountants who seem to run this country as to how far they can push it. Now I know some people take the mick out of sick days, classing it as annual leave, but there will be people who are ill coming to work and, spreading their germs, spending all day on the pan with the squits and getting paid, or potentially not going to the Docs with a life threating condition as they cannot afford to lose the money. Seems like a return to Victorian working standards to me so 100 odd years of Unions has been a failure and am almost expecting workhouses to be opening soon.

I am just a little concerned that this is the thin end of the wedge.

Just like to add I am not, nor have ever been "Left Wing", but if this is worrying me then I am getting worried about what I have missed happening elsewhere.
A lot of private firms are the same: new joiners at Tesco, first three days are unpaid. It was only a matter of time before civil servants went same way.


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#12
#13
Could have something to do with cardiff council workers seeing sick days as part of their holiday entitlement?
 
#15
Now reading this article is seems if the powers that be are starting to ignore Statitory Sick Pay,
Thought SSP was paid after three days of absence?

After googling (Google a very useful tool!) it appears that I was wrong, its four days.
https://www.gov.uk/statutory-sick-pay-ssp/overview

So what I suspect this is, is the Council works have special terms that give them paid sick days, and the council has spotted a way to save some cash, plus as others have said people were probably using it as holiday entitlement.

Ok having now read the article it does in deed seem to be the case, with the sick pay benefit costing 15m a year. Oddly nowherei nthe article dose it mention "Statutory Sick Pay" either...
 
#16
Everyone whos self employed, has seriously thought about being self employed, or who is familiar with the real world outside of the shores of our cosy little island knows that sick and pay are 2 words that can never be heard together..

The world is a changing place and , in my view a harsher place these days, just as "job for life" is a thing of the past so is entitlement to money for no work within employment becoming unaffordable long term.
 
#17
BBC News - Sick Cardiff council workers face no pay for three days Now reading this article is seems if the powers that be are starting to ignore Statitory Sick Pay, perhaps someone can clarify as I thought that was embodied in Law. Also, no pay rise for three years seems very harsh as well. Perhaps this is a test by the Accountants who seem to run this country as to how far they can push it. Now I know some people take the mick out of sick days, classing it as annual leave, but there will be people who are ill coming to work and, spreading their germs, spending all day on the pan with the squits and getting paid, or potentially not going to the Docs with a life threating condition as they cannot afford to lose the money. Seems like a return to Victorian working standards to me so 100 odd years of Unions has been a failure and am almost expecting workhouses to be opening soon.

I am just a little concerned that this is the thin end of the wedge.

Just like to add I am not, nor have ever been "Left Wing", but if this is worrying me then I am getting worried about what I have missed happening elsewhere.
Does this include the infections the white Welsh refuse collectors and gulley sucker operatives get when cleaning up Bute Town on a weekly basis ? Next thing someone will expect the Somali "Community" to clean up after itself.
 

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#18
Poor management always treats everyone the same. Poor attenders should be disciplined rather than penalising everyone.
It's public money so forget I mentioned it, the idle won't be able to wait for 'snow days'.
 
#19
BBC News - Sick Cardiff council workers face no pay for three days Now reading this article is seems if the powers that be are starting to ignore Statitory Sick Pay, perhaps someone can clarify as I thought that was embodied in Law. Also, no pay rise for three years seems very harsh as well. Perhaps this is a test by the Accountants who seem to run this country as to how far they can push it. Now I know some people take the mick out of sick days, classing it as annual leave, but there will be people who are ill coming to work and, spreading their germs, spending all day on the pan with the squits and getting paid, or potentially not going to the Docs with a life threating condition as they cannot afford to lose the money. Seems like a return to Victorian working standards to me so 100 odd years of Unions has been a failure and am almost expecting workhouses to be opening soon.

I am just a little concerned that this is the thin end of the wedge.

Just like to add I am not, nor have ever been "Left Wing", but if this is worrying me then I am getting worried about what I have missed happening elsewhere.
If you were Left Wing you would applaud the efforts made by Cardiff's Labour controlled Council.
 
#20
Not paying someone for being off sick for one or two days used to be looked on as a poor way to treat your workers. The trouble is, some workers look on their sick days as being part of their holiday entitlement and as a "right". The number of times I've heard "I've still got X number of days sick leave to come". Then the wasters who take a day off to attend their fifth grannies funeral, have to take Johnny to the dentist, have to go Christmas shopping....etc.
Despite being nice to workers with the "OK, you can have the day off to go to......." some then start to tear the proverbial out of it. Like those who get a week in Benidorm for a fiver, realise they only have 4 days holidays left so pull a sicky to cover the extra day. The public sector seems particularly bad at this.
 

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