Return of the Chain Gang

#2
the only issue with the ankle tagging is that it needs a ball and chain with it.
 
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Biscuits_AB

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#5
What utter crap. These people know that it will never happen so why do they waste the money we pay them by initiating discussions on shite, rather than on matters which are more important.

Yet more evidence that the Tories are out of touch.
 
#6
Bollix to em.
 
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Mr_Tigger

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#7
Well this is definitely going to happen. We all know that everything Tory MPs want comes true. That is why the cane is back in school and we are hanging people from the neck at a lawful place of execution because they looked a tad dusky.
 
#9
ROFL

"Poms in Chains by the road side will definitely be a tourist attraction.
The last ime I was in the UK there was not much to see of interest on the motor way. However near Birmingham a white van did pull up by the side the road and lots of brown skin people hopped out and ran in all directions. Now that was suspiciously interesting."

Which arrser was that :)
 
#10
Ball and chain ankle tags would definitely be an improvement on the current set up...

Especially if they were mandatory. A fair few have manged to get away wit thm. Remember the girl who 'liked to dress in feminine clothes' so the tag would 'clash' with her couture?
 
#11
What utter crap. These people know that it will never happen so why do they waste the money we pay them by initiating discussions on shite, rather than on matters which are more important.

Yet more evidence that the Tories are out of touch.
I think if you'd written 'politicians' rather than 'the Tories' it might have been more accurate. Anyone remember Tony Blair's scheme for yobboes to be frogmarched to the nearest cashpoint so some rozzer could impose an on-the-spot fine?
 
#12
To quote the knob end who floated the idea.

“In the US I have seen chain gangs out clearing highways – why can’t we do that here?”

This would be because you would have to shoot people to stop them running off and as much as people might **** them self into a state of semi-rigid vengeful frenzy about prisoners not really being human like all the rest of us in this country killing prisoners out of hand for attempting to escape is considered to be murder.
 
#13
Perhaps you are right, but the idea is not bad. If nothing else it must be healthier for prisoners to do this rather than to sit in their cells, doing drugs, and then coming out as addicts that are crime experts. Have there been any studies into costs, reoffending rates, staffing levels needed for supervision, and so on?

There are some roads near a prison down this way that need fixing. Fresh air and physical work will do the old lags some good.
 
#14
There's a guy called Sherrif Joe in Arizona who has chain gangs in his prison. I remember a series called Brits Behind Bars, in which a bunch of guys who were in bother and heading for jail spent a few weeks as his "guests". They lived in their own wire fenced compound, sleeping in military surplus 10-man tents, eating shit food, and doing tasks such as road cleaning, painting over graffiti, and burying poor people.

Apart from the maximum security cons, the others live the same way. Sherrif Joe boasted that he spent more on the prison dogs' food than on the cons meals.
 
#15
The amount of actual work done by chain gangs is nugatory, you try mending a road whilst shackled at the ankles and see how far you get.

The point of chain gangs is public humiliation, punishment, general harassment of the prisoners. Like all strict prison regimes, it discourages the inmates from wanting to return. Sadly, that disinclination often finds its expression not in reform, but in murdering witnesses and shooting at policemen.
 
#16
They would probably go on strike and then call in the Army to take over.
 
#17
The amount of actual work done by chain gangs is nugatory, you try mending a road whilst shackled at the ankles and see how far you get.
Good - that means you shouldn't get too much aggro from the construction firms who would otherwise be losing out.
 
#18
Prison should only really be for excluding those criminals who are dangerous to the populace or maybe for certain cases..

Most of our criminals (white collar or otherwise) SHOULD be dealt with by other means. ie curfews and community service.
 
#19
Prison should only really be for excluding those criminals who are dangerous to the populace or maybe for certain cases..

Most of our criminals (white collar or otherwise) SHOULD be dealt with by other means. ie curfews and community service.
I agree with some of what you're saying mate but, other than for the most violent 1st offences, most have to commit literally dozens of detected and convicted crimes before seeing the inside of a prison.

Take burglars for instance, they bring untold misery to hundreds of people. I've been to houses that have been burgled near christmas and nicked all the presents. It's heartbreaking seeing kids crying because their Christmas is probably going up a smackheads arm. They don't target the rich, they stick close to where they live and steal from those that aren't probably that well off. Whilst people such as this are in jail they're not committing crime. It's amazing to see how much a certain type of crime drops when certain people are having a few months in jail.

Community sentences are routinely ignored, tagged curfews breached with relative impunity, and no meaningful punishment expected or received for doing so.

Personally I believe that prison populations could be increased, and prison become more of a deterrent, by making it a place that they really don't want to return to. I'm quite an admirer of the American prison designs with small cells with 2 occupants and barred doors, no gyms, no tv, shite food, **** uniforms, and limited privileges.

Make prisons and sentences a real deterrent and I, personally, believe it'll make a massive difference.


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#20
This is one of the most hilariously unworkable proposals ever suggested. People who think it's a great idea have absolutely no idea about prisons and how they work.

Lets say you have a low category prison like a local C cat with 800 inmates because lets face it you aren't going to be doing this with A cat lifers. Now lets say that 100 of them are going to do some litter picking. How do you propose to get those 100 prisoners through reception and back inside 8 hours whilst reception is also dealing with prisoners being admitted, prisoners being released, prisoners being transferred and prisoners going to court? How many additional staff are you going to need each day just for this?

I can probably think of another 10 obstacles off the top of my head as to why it's unworkable.

If you are going to make prisoners pick up litter in chain gangs then it's better to do it while they are serving the remainder of their sentence on licence. Say you get sentenced to 12 months, you serve 6 inside then out on licence for 6. During that time you have to do 6 weeks "community work", **** it up and you serve the rest of the sentence inside. It would simply be part of your licence conditions.
 

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