"Retoxicification" of drug free inmates prior to release

#1
"In exceptional circumstances, qualified doctors can decide whether to use this treatment and the clinical guidance is clear that they should only do so when there is a serious risk of the prisoner reusing drugs immediately on release and therefore putting themselves at risk of death from an accidental drugs overdose if they don't get it."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7558955/Drug-free-inmates-put-on-methadone.html

Now some may have an entirely contrary view of the wisdom of creating state sponsored drug dependancy in the currently drug free, but they are no doubt wrong thinking right wing reactionaries. :x
 
#2
Someone from the medical side come and defend this please as I would love to see the logic. If any.
 
#3
Blogg said:
"In exceptional circumstances, qualified doctors can decide whether to use this treatment and the clinical guidance is clear that they should only do so when there is a serious risk of the prisoner reusing drugs immediately on release and therefore putting themselves at risk of death from an accidental drugs overdose if they don't get it."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7558955/Drug-free-inmates-put-on-methadone.html

Now some may have an entirely contrary view of the wisdom of creating state sponsored drug dependancy in the currently drug free, but they are no doubt wrong thinking right wing reactionaries. :x
Oh dear , never mind, what a shame, NOT! let the fuckers die, if they are that stupid, it would save millions and get rid of the useless idiots who are a drain on society! :x :x
 

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#4
I can see the point. If someone has been inside for a short period of time and has gone down a drug reduction/elimination path, and upon release is very likely to seek a dose of narcotics/stimulents that will endanger them and the rest to the public, then it's probably best to dose them up before they leave.










It gives a breathing space before they (a) kill themselves, (b) commit more crime, or (c) vote Labour. Without the Prison Service or Home Office incurring any blame.
 
#5
Ahhhh NOW I understand.
 
#6
It's a new New Labour policy. We will all be given our daily dose of Soma over the next six weeks so we can't be bothered to...

...blast, I forget...

...sure I was supposed to be doing something on 6th May...

...oh well, had better go to work that day. Gosh Tony Mustapha Mond is a wonderful Resident World Controller for Western Europe...
 
#7
Personally, all I believe is required is a full briefing to the about-to-be released prisoner warning him of the likely effects of an immediate return to hard-drug use, a signature from the prisoner to say he has heard and understood this and "Here's your £40, off out the door y'go laddie!".

If he then kills himself because he is too stupid to heed this excellent advice then I fail to see why society should waste any time grieving for him. As for his family, well if he felt so little for them that he did this to himself then I'd suggest they're better off without frankly.
 
#8
for faaa-'Ucks sake..... a Liarbore government plot to increase the Doley scrounging underclass dependant on Government handouts and control... :shakefist:
 
#9
So we solve their dependency issues then prohylactically protect them against unknown strength pharmacuticals they may or may not get on the street by dosing them up again.................and release them...

This is about as twisted as this fecked up country gets
 
#10
What next? Free child porn for sex offenders?

The mind truly boggles!!
 
#11
thegimp said:
So we solve their dependency issues then prohylactically protect them against unknown strength pharmacuticals they may or may not get on the street by dosing them up again.................and release them...

This is about as twisted as this fecked up country gets
Having worked with ex-drug users, I'd say solving the physical dependency is the easy part. Well, apart from alcohol where immediate withdrawal can cause nerve cells in the brain to die. It's the psychological side of things that is the hardest to work on - as some drug users are self-medicating for issues like PTSD, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia etc.

So I guess if a physician is convinced that somebody who has been clean for a while is going to go out and use as soon as they are released, then they may feel it's justified providing them with a methadone script to stop them for from overdosing.

Although this report says it'so only been done in more than 460 prisoners over five years - so I guess maybe 500 hundred in that time? That's two a week almost. I imagine that's not a great deal in the grand scheme of things.
 
#12
Mr_Fingerz said:
I can see the point. If someone has been inside for a short period of time and has gone down a drug reduction/elimination path, and upon release is very likely to seek a dose of narcotics/stimulents that will endanger them and the rest to the public, then it's probably best to dose them up before they leave.


It gives a breathing space before they (a) kill themselves, (b) commit more crime, or (c) vote Labour. Without the Prison Service or Home Office incurring any blame.

Mate A and (B+C) are mutually exclusive. As far as I'm concerned A is a definate result.
 
#13
Why should we worry about them overdosing on release? Surely it can only be a good thing... prevents them reoffending and gets them out of the gene pool. Darwinism at its very best.
 
#14
jarrod248 said:
InVinoVeritas said:
Why should we worry about them overdosing on release? Surely it can only be a good thing... prevents them reoffending and gets them out of the gene pool. Darwinism at its very best.
You don't have to worry at all in fact you don't even have to read this thread.
As we've already mentioned in a number of threads there are a number of ex-squaddies in prison - how do you think they got inside?
These people are someones children, have partners, kids and can on Methadone work and pay taxes - how good is that?
As someone else pointed out, the famlies of junkies are better off without them. Not least because junkies will think nothing of stealing from the famlies you are so concerned about to feed their habit.

And although I stand by to be corrected, I venture to suggest that the majority of junkies currently on methadone do not work for a living.

The only good junkie is a dead one.
 
#15
jarrod248 said:
InVinoVeritas said:
Why should we worry about them overdosing on release? Surely it can only be a good thing... prevents them reoffending and gets them out of the gene pool. Darwinism at its very best.
You don't have to worry at all in fact you don't even have to read this thread.
As we've already mentioned in a number of threads there are a number of ex-squaddies in prison - how do you think they got inside?
These people are someones children, have partners, kids and can on Methadone work and pay taxes - how good is that?
If you have partners and kids and you are free of drugs... then I suggest it is the height of stupidity to go back on them when you leave prison.

If the authorities are so convinced that these prisoners are going to reoffend by going back on drugs..then they are not fit to be released unless they have served their full sentence. They should not get parole or early release and so on if there is an expectancy they will reoffend.

Not many prisoners get out and go on to pay taxes and work because prison and crime is far too easy a path for them.

Did you know that on average a parking fine is more than sex offenders and burglars get?

Why become law abiding under those circumstances?

I'll save my sympathy for the victims of these drug fuelled criminals thank you very much.
 
#16
jarrod248 said:
Methadone is a very cheap drug and reduces criminal activity and other costs associated. Where would you prefer your taxes to go?
On here? One round of 9mm, a pauper's grave & the cost recharged to the family :roll:
 
#18
jarrod248 said:
CaptainPlume said:
jarrod248 said:
Methadone is a very cheap drug and reduces criminal activity and other costs associated. Where would you prefer your taxes to go?
On here? One round of 9mm, a pauper's grave & the cost recharged to the family :roll:
Meanwhile in the real world that's not an option.
You did note the rolling eyes smiley? I wan't suggesting that myself...
 
#19
jarrod248 said:
InVinoVeritas said:
jarrod248 said:
InVinoVeritas said:
Why should we worry about them overdosing on release? Surely it can only be a good thing... prevents them reoffending and gets them out of the gene pool. Darwinism at its very best.
You don't have to worry at all in fact you don't even have to read this thread.
As we've already mentioned in a number of threads there are a number of ex-squaddies in prison - how do you think they got inside?
These people are someones children, have partners, kids and can on Methadone work and pay taxes - how good is that?
If you have partners and kids and you are free of drugs... then I suggest it is the height of stupidity to go back on them when you leave prison.

If the authorities are so convinced that these prisoners are going to reoffend by going back on drugs..then they are not fit to be released unless they have served their full sentence. They should not get parole or early release and so on if there is an expectancy they will reoffend.

Not many prisoners get out and go on to pay taxes and work because prison and crime is far too easy a path for them.

Did you know that on average a parking fine is more than sex offenders and burglars get?

Why become law abiding under those circumstances?

I'll save my sympathy for the victims of these drug fuelled criminals thank you very much.
The average cost per prisoner when I worked in the prison service was £30k per year it will be more now.
Methadone is a very cheap drug and reduces criminal activity and other costs associated. Where would you prefer your taxes to go?
I'd like my taxes to go on cancer drugs for people who are told by the NHS it cant afford to treat them.

Its nice that innocent people are condemned to die so that criminals can have methadone though.
 
#20
It's like an article from a spoof news site like Newsbiscuit, News Arse or The Onion.
 

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