Retire, then work or lose pension

#1
Just been posted over on the BBC website BBC News - Lord Bichard: Retired people could work for pensions

Retired people should be encouraged to do community work such as caring for the "very old" or face losing some of their pension, a peer has suggested.
Lord Bichard, a former benefits chief, said "imaginative" ideas were needed to meet the cost of an ageing society.
Bit of a wacky idea seeing that most people have paid for their pensions with contributions from their wages already.
 
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#3
Lord Bichard. Knight in the Order of the Bath, life peer Baron Bichard, of Nailsworth? Spent most of his time in councils and on committees. And an Ex Chief Exec of the Benefits Agency, that fantastic institution. Apparently loves sitting in Chairs and social climbing. He's in the perfect position to comment on our elderly and how to solve the pensions crisis by getting all the old folks working or face penalties. Brilliant. Just imagine, we could turn Nursing Homes in to call centres, close all the day centres and demolish all the retirement homes those horrible geriatrics inhabit. That is of course, if they haven't all been starved to death before the elderly labour schemes come in.
 
#4
Bit of a wacky idea seeing that most people have paid for their pensions with contributions from their wages already.
No they haven't. They've paid towards it. They're effectively subsidised by people who are currently working, and it's unsustainable.

I think this particular idea is shit, but it's good to see such problems being addressed.
 
#5
beats me why we d'ont just put "work makes you free" on the hmrc paperwork,just another way of keeping the F ing pelps in thier place at least maxwell had the decency to jump overboard when it was discovered he had ripped the pension scheme off,can anyone see the "means tested state pension" coming in a few years.
 
#7
Hold on there.
"work"
"retirement"

See how the obvious obvious linguistic mistake.
If you are working, you are not retired.
As to the political point. If you let them, they will do it to you.
 
#9
beats me why we d'ont just put "work makes you free" on the hmrc paperwork,just another way of keeping the F ing pelps in thier place at least maxwell had the decency to jump overboard when it was discovered he had ripped the pension scheme off,can anyone see the "means tested state pension" coming in a few years.
Actually I can sort of see the point of means tested pensions but it should have the priviso that if you fall outside of the bracket for getting a state pension then you can claim back all the monies you paid into the system throughout your working life.
 
#11
No they haven't. They've paid towards it. They're effectively subsidised by people who are currently working, and it's unsustainable.

I think this particular idea is shit, but it's good to see such problems being addressed.

Wrong.

The Basic State pension is not funded; your NICs go to those who currently draw benefit. You have no "pot" of money, I'm afraid.
 
#15
So whats the clever M'luds cunning plan if foreign national me and my foreign national mrs bugger off and draw our pensions overseas?
You will be required to report to the nearest British Embassy or equivilant (or nominated 3rd countries consulate) to carry out taskings as required and directed by the local staff.

Or you dont get the cash!
 
#17
I'm just incredibly surprised that neither their lordships or anybody else in those parties who currently contribute to the running of this country through their representatives in Parliament and the Government have not come up with euthanasia as the answer to resolving the matter of what to do with the elderly of this country.

Think about it? What's not to like!

No pensions paid out! More of everything for everybody else! Surely someone within their hallowed ranks will suggest this blatantly obvious solution to the elderly question before the year has dragged out to it's final last day. I bet there's a conference about it just around the corner!
 
#18
I'm willing to watch as this witless git and a hoard of overpaid Parliamentarians, Civil Servants and their hangers-on show the way. If I then see any value in the idea I might join in!
 
#19
I think a great deal did, and some probably still do so, and without the need for this (moral) blackmail. It was called voluntary work. Problem is they introduced such excessive layers of unnecessary shite such as CRB, H & S and insurance etc that many people simply quietly pulled out - remove this and you might get people intested again, with the added benefit that vast swathes of cash used to fund the CRB-leeches etc would be freed up.
 
#20
I'm just incredibly surprised that neither their lordships or anybody else in those parties who currently contribute to the running of this country through their representatives in Parliament and the Government have not come up with euthanasia as the answer to resolving the matter of what to do with the elderly of this country.

Think about it? What's not to like!

No pensions paid out! More of everything for everybody else! Surely someone within their hallowed ranks will suggest this blatantly obvious solution to the elderly question before the year has dragged out to it's final last day. I bet there's a conference about it just around the corner!
You have obviously never heard of the Liverpool Care Pathway as used by the NHS in ever increasing numbers.