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RETENTION OF OFFR RANK ON RETIREMENT

#1
I don't know if its me, but I was under the impression that you could only retain your rank on retirement if you were of field rank i.e. Major or above. There seems to be a plethora of Capt (retd) appearing all over the place. I was only aware of Capt peacock until recently !
Can anyone advise on the legitimacy of using Capt(retd).

Braindrain WO2 (retd).
 
#3
You are correct - traditionally people only retained rank of Major and above. However nowadays it is very unusual (and a little odd) for people to retain any rank at all in civilian life.

As for Capt (retd), I have only ever seen it when they still work within or for the MOD (i.e. RO type jobs). I have always viewed people who feel the need to retain rank with a certain amount of suspicion - what are they trying to prove? Or do they just feel inadequate?
 
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#5
I find it quite sad that anyone of any previous military rank would wish to advertise it as a civvy. It smacks of insecurity. It doesn't impress anyone. Well, no one of importance anyway. The only people who are impressed by it are likeminded individuals who retired on lesser rank and who also insist upon using (Ret'd) .

I've yet to see a 'council estate' ex-Officer use it

Maybe it's a Public schoolboy thing?


Biscuits

Civvy (Ret'd)
 
#6
canteen_cowboy said:
you could try and ask the officers rather than seniors if you want a sensible reply :wink:
CC, I feel that most seniors are sensible.

I agree with doomsayer in that it smacks a bit of sado and undermines their credibility.

I was also concerned that they may be forced to use their old rank by their need to diferentiate themselves from civil servants when they are employed in MSF posts - if they don't want to be a civil servant do something else is my opinion.
 
#8
I'm not sure if there are any army publications on the matter (probably are) but if you check Debretts 'Guide to etiquette and modern manners' it says that it's considered bad form if you retain a rank below that of Major on retirement (and its Navy and RAF equivalents). So OCdt (retd) is right out.
 
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#9
Despite the whole thing being so pityful.........Capt (Ret'd) just smacks of loser doesn't it?
 
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#13
WhiteHorse said:
Navy captain? surley they can use Capt (retd)? or do they add RN?
Capt in the Navy is slightly further up the food chain than some drongo from the Army using it in the fashion debated.
 
#14
I am aware of that Biscuits, and it was the point (if somewhat poorly) I was trying to make, how would you know if they were ex RN or Army?

It could be implied that an individual was of a more senior rank when serving than they really were.
 
#15
I believe you can use the title "Captain (Retd)" and equivalents as a courtesy title. This is not the same as using the title "Major (Retd)" which is an entitlement, but I do not know the precise difference other than the social faux pas of using retired Captain rank!
 
#16
It wasn't uncommon in, say, the 1950s to use the rank of captain in retirement. The PM of Northern Ireland at one time was Captain O'Neill, IIRC.

Another aspect is that the reason subalterns are addressed as 'Mr' is that captain is the first rank that brings the status of Esquire with it.

My copy of 'Debrett's Correct Form' (that invaluable book) says:

'Field Marshals remain on the active list for life and so continue to use this rank. Other regular officers of the rank of captain and above may use, and be addressed by, their rank after being placed on the retired list.

The word 'retired' (abbreviated to 'Retd') should not be added after an officer's name in ordinary correspondence or in lists, but only when it is specifically necessary to indicate that an officer is on the retired list, eg, one employed in a civilian capacity in a Ministry of Defence establishment, when it facilitates postal arrangements.'
 
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#17
Pityful all the same. I reckon most would be too embarrassed to use it. Those who did......well, some people will do anything to impress.
 
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BRAINDRAIN said:
I don't know if its me, but I was under the impression that you could only retain your rank on retirement if you were of field rank i.e. Major or above. There seems to be a plethora of Capt (retd) appearing all over the place. I was only aware of Capt peacock until recently !
Can anyone advise on the legitimacy of using Capt(retd).

Braindrain WO2 (retd).
Could the Captains be RN?
 

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