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It's almost as if the reported economic performance prior to the vote was used to prop up the argument for staying in, and the contemporary reporting of bad UK economic performance and excellent Eurozone performance repeated over and over is to tell us that we're doomed if we leave.

I don't claim inner knowledge of either the British economy or the Eurozone, but have a think as to why you might read certain figures and reports at certain times.
Really? So the ONS who produce these figures are in a conspiracy to feed us the information they want us to see? The banks, the companies that give us the current crappy exchange rates are all in collusion to make the exchange rates look bad?
Sometimes, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck then it probably is a duck.
 
Author of Article 50 calls for Brexit to be stopped

The author of the Article 50 clause that allows Britain to leave the EU has called for the Brexit process to be halted, saying that the “disastrous consequences” are “becoming ever clearer”.

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Author of Article 50 calls for Brexit to be stopped

The author of the Article 50 clause that allows Britain to leave the EU has called for the Brexit process to be halted, saying that the “disastrous consequences” are “becoming ever clearer”.

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I find it bizarre an author of such an important (spoken loosely) document that was never intended to be used, or drafted in such a way that makes it near impossible to be completed in the timeframe allocated is requesting for the process halted and not allowed to be completed.

Perhaps even the Article 50 author has lack of confidence in the EU's ability to complete the task, possibly raises more questions than answers.


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The sad thing is that you probably, actually, believe that. I know we haven't actually left yet (even though it's well over a year since the vote) but how has it really improved the economy?
At the time of the vote, UK was surging ahead of the EU countries and the G7 countries. Now, it is at the lowest of all those countries by far. The pound is languishing, inflation is up whilst wages aren't keeping pace.
UK productivity levels have been falling, even before the referendum with March 2016 showing the lowest levels since records began and it's getting worse.
Every other EU country, and the eurozone ones in particular, have been surging ahead in economic growth with even Greece, at 0.4%, outstripping the UK 0.2% in the first two quarters of this year.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
It's not Brexit doing that.

It's the uncertainty of the outcome.
 
Perhaps even the Article 50 author has lack of confidence in the EU's ability to complete the task, possibly raises more questions than answers.


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Seriously?

The EU published its very clear negotiating position months ago and has been waiting patiently for us to begin the process of extracting ourselves from the EU.

How are you reaching such a conclusion?
 
Unemployment is at a 40 year low ffsk. Of course productivity is down. Everyone including the illiterate and the alcoholic is at work and at the margins the crappesr workers are crap. People also get to dictate in a tight labour market when they want to work so you get a rise is in people just doing 10 hours a week in little buys to fit in around their partner and kids hours. Productivity takes a hit because you have more training and more unproductive hours and the people are a pain in the arse and can get another job easily.

In France where 10% have no job you can avoid hiring the guy with the spider tattoo on his neck, everyone works full time and people cry with relief when they get an actual permanent job offer (I've seen thus several times). High productivity comes at a price of high unemployment, high welfare and high taxes to pay for it. Our way has its advantages.

We were the fastest growing G8 economy a year ago. This year we have fallen back and Eurozone has finally had a bit of a growth spurt because it's the election year and the ECB is still printing £35billiom a month.

This will end. The zombie EU banks will fall. The EU is far from saved.

Tourism, Agricultre, Manufacturing, Services are all booming because of Sterlings adjustment. Unemployment is ultra low. This is a good configuration to be in as we enter Brexit and experience some turbulence.



The EU is our minority export market. We run a £71bn trade DEFECIT with the EU and a trade SURPLUS with the Rest of World. ROW markets are growing fast than EU and by 2025 will be 90% of world GDP compared to 10% Of world GDP being in the EU. Which market should we focus on fir the next 40 years?

The answers obvious, not the EU.
 
Seriously?

The EU published its very clear negotiating position months ago and has been waiting patiently for us to begin the process of extracting ourselves from the EU.

How are you reaching such a conclusion?
The serious question is why the A50 author has called for the process to be halted.
The process has started, if the author had pre-concerns then why not highlight them to both parties prior to A50 being invoked.
 
The sad thing is that you probably, actually, believe that. I know we haven't actually left yet (even though it's well over a year since the vote) but how has it really improved the economy?
At the time of the vote, UK was surging ahead of the EU countries and the G7 countries. Now, it is at the lowest of all those countries by far. The pound is languishing, inflation is up whilst wages aren't keeping pace.
UK productivity levels have been falling, even before the referendum with March 2016 showing the lowest levels since records began and it's getting worse.
Every other EU country, and the eurozone ones in particular, have been surging ahead in economic growth with even Greece, at 0.4%, outstripping the UK 0.2% in the first two quarters of this year.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Nothing to waken up and smell, especially when you are contradicting yourself so much when you say the UK was "surging ahead" at the time of the Breferendum yet go on to say that productivity levels were dropping before the Breferendum and have gotten worse.

Now that says that Brexit has had no effect on the economy at all and that the others you mention were in such a bad state the only way they could go was "up". You have to look at how many quarters (do provide a link to Q2 figures, please, for I see your words being used elsewhere to describe the situation as of Q1 2017, that means you got it wrong about it being the first 2 quarters of 2017 at the end) as the growth figures from previous quarters tell more of a story than individual quarters do.

The drop in UK growth was predicted before the Q1 2016 figures came out, well before the referendum, historical data tells us that the UK economy tends to "lead" the economic cycle compared to the EU with the UK economy peaking a year or two before the EU as it seems to be doing now, so I'm not sure what the point you are trying to make is as if productivity was already falling before the Breferendum, inflation was already playing silly buggers before the Breferendum, etc, then we are surely looking at a "cyclical" thing over anything to do with Brexit.
 
The serious question is why the A50 author has called for the process to be halted.
The process has started, if the author had pre-concerns then why not highlight them to both parties prior to A50 being invoked.
Because the EU have been betting the farm on us not leaving since before the referendum.

It's dawning on them that we will leave and that our leaving is going to be disastrous for them.

The author might want to reflect on the fact that Brexit could have been stopped.

By the EU.

Entering into the spirit of things during David's negotiations.

That's all they had to do?
 
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The serious question is why the A50 author has called for the process to be halted.
The process has started, if the author had pre-concerns then why not highlight them to both parties prior to A50 being invoked.
Because he wouldn't have had the job and pension without the EU
 
The serious question is why the A50 author has called for the process to be halted.
The process has started, if the author had pre-concerns then why not highlight them to both parties prior to A50 being invoked.
Perhaps he didn't plan for the scale of dithering and incompetence shown by the UK?
 
The serious question is why the A50 author has called for the process to be halted.
The process has started, if the author had pre-concerns then why not highlight them to both parties prior to A50 being invoked.
It does not matter...if disaster is ahead stop the process.
 
Because the EU have been betting the farm on us not leaving since before the referendum.

It's dawning on them that we will leave and that our leaving is going to be disastrous for them.

The author might want to reflect on the fact that Brexit could have been stopped.

By the EU.

Not entering into the spirit of things during David's negotiations.
That's how I see it. I'm a leaver and understand there will be some pain with us leaving. Willing to accept that for the longer term.

But now, finally, I think after all the bravado from the EU its hitting them that its going to hurt them and they are flapping big time. Is it a coincidence that Saint Tony reappeared at the weekend...
 
Perhaps he didn't plan for the scale of dithering and incompetence shown by the UK?
Why not? It's not as if his masters weren't SMEs in those areas.

Or perhaps, like the rest of the EU High Command, he considered the UK to have finally been beaten into submission after CMD's last humiliation at their behest.
 
Unemployment is at a 40 year low ffsk. Of course productivity is down. Everyone including the illiterate and the alcoholic is at work and at the margins the crappesr workers are crap. People also get to dictate in a tight labour market when they want to work so you get a rise is in people just doing 10 hours a week in little buys to fit in around their partner and kids hours. Productivity takes a hit because you have more training and more unproductive hours and the people are a pain in the arse and can get another job easily.

In France where 10% have no job you can avoid hiring the guy with the spider tattoo on his neck, everyone works full time and people cry with relief when they get an actual permanent job offer (I've seen thus several times). High productivity comes at a price of high unemployment, high welfare and high taxes to pay for it. Our way has its advantages.

We were the fastest growing G8 economy a year ago. This year we have fallen back and Eurozone has finally had a bit of a growth spurt because it's the election year and the ECB is still printing £35billiom a month.

This will end. The zombie EU banks will fall. The EU is far from saved.

Tourism, Agricultre, Manufacturing, Services are all booming because of Sterlings adjustment. Unemployment is ultra low. This is a good configuration to be in as we enter Brexit and experience some turbulence.



The EU is our minority export market. We run a £71bn trade DEFECIT with the EU and a trade SURPLUS with the Rest of World. ROW markets are growing fast than EU and by 2025 will be 90% of world GDP compared to 10% Of world GDP being in the EU. Which market should we focus on fir the next 40 years?

The answers obvious, not the EU.
All of that simply says that the poorer parts of the world are catching up to the leading economies... it's what globalisation does, regardless of the EU... If you think that leaving the EU will accelerate the British economy at the same rate as a third world banana republic you are seriously deluded....and greedy. We have done very well with the EU...why plunge into a black hole for more?
 
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