Results are in and it is leave the EU

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You first, it's only polite to answer before asking.

Your mental leaps of a big boy taking away our veto are pants anyhoo, we're leaving but from Mr Krachanaker's link:

he has chosen the former by vetoing an EU-wide treaty change proposed at last December’s summit and expressed his readiness to do so again.

In many ways, the Prime Minister’s position is consistent with an attitude that has had considerable influence on Great Britain’s policies towards European integration for over sixty years and was formulated by Cameron’s most prominent predecessor in the twentieth century: Winston Churchill

We have a veto until we leave. Everyone has a veto after we've gone.
First we have, then we don't, then we do again- until it's inconvenient. The reality is is largely QMV and the resettlement European commission is enforcing it on the migration issue on Eastern joiners. And your missing the point anyhoo. When Macron and Merkel issue a joint statement of intent about a single bugetary control it effectively the beginning of the end of financial independence for all 27.
 
First we have, then we don't, then we do again- until it's inconvenient. The reality is is largely QMV and the resettlement European commission is enforcing it on the migration issue on Eastern joiners. And your missing the point anyhoo. When Macron and Merkel issue a joint statement of intent about a single bugetary control it effectively the beginning of the end of financial independence for all 27.
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Very true, we have looked both ways. We have always looked to the Atlantic with hope and in explorer mindset while facing Europe with all our defences up and bayonets sharpened.
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Not quite (not at all, if truth be told). The game for at least two centuries has been to form alliances against whichever nation seemed likely to dominate the Continent.

I'm not sure of the advantage to UK interests in voluntarily reducing our influence in that regard.
and you don't get that's exactly what's happening?
 
First we have, then we don't, then we do again- until it's inconvenient. The reality is is largely QMV and the resettlement European commission is enforcing it on the migration issue on Eastern joiners. And your missing the point anyhoo. When Macron and Merkel issue a joint statement of intent about a single bugetary control it effectively the beginning of the end of financial independence for all 27.
I'm not confusing QMV, diplomacy and the veto. It appears everyone else is. The veto hasn't gone. Any treaty change still needs a veto.
 
We've had a year and the chundering and bumping of gums is still going on. I've had a tit full of the 'we're doomed' merchants..... Time to gather up the spit dummies and the thrown teddies and get behind it.
The damage of leaving with a no deal, or frankly even properly at all is seen to be so severe by many, that getting behind brexit is not an acceptable course of action.

Limiting, postponing and outright derailing brexit would be a far better outcome than allowing the current bunch of gibbering clowns to destroy this country for a generation.

What's more is that agitation is a feature of a healthy democracy
 
There won't be any significant damage. WTO MFN trade covers trillions of dollars worth of trade every year.

Brexit will increase prosperity and help the economy. Remoaners fears are unjustified and they need to trust the majority.
The sad thing is that you probably, actually, believe that. I know we haven't actually left yet (even though it's well over a year since the vote) but how has it really improved the economy?
At the time of the vote, UK was surging ahead of the EU countries and the G7 countries. Now, it is at the lowest of all those countries by far. The pound is languishing, inflation is up whilst wages aren't keeping pace.
UK productivity levels have been falling, even before the referendum with March 2016 showing the lowest levels since records began and it's getting worse.
Every other EU country, and the eurozone ones in particular, have been surging ahead in economic growth with even Greece, at 0.4%, outstripping the UK 0.2% in the first two quarters of this year.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
 
The sad thing is that you probably, actually, believe that. I know we haven't actually left yet (even though it's well over a year since the vote) but how has it really improved the economy?
At the time of the vote, UK was surging ahead of the EU countries and the G7 countries. Now, it is at the lowest of all those countries by far. The pound is languishing, inflation is up whilst wages aren't keeping pace.
UK productivity levels have been falling, even before the referendum with March 2016 showing the lowest levels since records began and it's getting worse.
Every other EU country, and the eurozone ones in particular, have been surging ahead in economic growth with even Greece, at 0.4%, outstripping the UK 0.2% in the first two quarters of this year.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
It's almost as if the reported economic performance prior to the vote was used to prop up the argument for staying in, and the contemporary reporting of bad UK economic performance and excellent Eurozone performance repeated over and over is to tell us that we're doomed if we leave.

I don't claim inner knowledge of either the British economy or the Eurozone, but have a think as to why you might read certain figures and reports at certain times.
 
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