, That's really not the issue. I frequently used to talk to people going to Poland or Lithuania and Belgium for breast surgery, carrying the money for their surgery. I also interviewed arab people about the medical treatment they were having in the UK and they were paying for it. The Point is none of it was on the NHS and there was no evidence that they were expecting to use the indiginous medical services of those countries. But even so there was E111 and laterly EHIC, which were set up as countervailing repayment systems. If Spain has that problem and Britain has that problem then there is something basically wrong with the internal mechanism and the rates charged for individual specialisms surely. And yet the EU stays stumm. It also says more about the EU mentality of running deficits. It's a point I keep trying hammer home. We are frequently told that our services cost this that or the other. Actually they don't. The staff are on hand, the equipment is paid for for these eventualities, but each person is only one person. But if certain people pretend they are four or five people for the advantages in benefits and the EU has done nothing to clamp down on this, there's going to be a train smash.