Restructuring the Corp

#1
I remember hearing some dirty rumour about a year ago that it was being contemplated within the corridors of malaise that the Corp was potentially splitting into seperate Corps again, like the AGC! Was this just a filthy rumour or not??

In fact........would you?
 
#2
Not likely, all the time spent by the Directorate (and others) trying to foster esprit de corps and promote the RLC throughout the Army would be wasted.
 
#4
Good rumour to start though! See how strong that esprit de corps really is! plus my TRFs are getting a bit tatty now so i could do with a change.

Why don't we just settle for trade badges or letters within the TRF like the AGC (i always like trying to guess what them initials stand for) rather than going down the whole new Corps route, far to upsetting for those who have worked so hard making the RLC what it is today! 8)
 
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#5
TrueBlueTrog said:
Good rumour to start though! See how strong that esprit de corps really is! plus my TRFs are getting a bit tatty now so i could do with a change.

Why don't we just settle for trade badges or letters within the TRF like the AGC (i always like trying to guess what them initials stand for) rather than going down the whole new Corps route, far to upsetting for those who have worked so hard making the RLC what it is today! 8)
Not just your TRFs getting tatty...............

Yes, I am in one of those moods.
 
#7
i've found my RCT shoulder titles, but have found that CS95 trouser belt loops make usless slides to sew them onto, just haven't got the width!
 
#10
I've also heard that the Corps is splitting.

Chefs and Suppliers staying as Logistic Corps.

Drivers and Port/Semen types to Transport Corps.

Posties to the AGC (SPS)

AT's to split trade into Ammo Examiner and go to the REME, EOD operator to the RE.

All this by 2014.
 
#11
General Melchett said:
I've also heard that the Corps is splitting.

Chefs and Suppliers staying as Logistic Corps.

Drivers and Port/Semen types to Transport Corps.

Posties to the AGC (SPS)

AT's to split trade into Ammo Examiner and go to the REME, EOD operator to the RE.

All this by 2014.
So that will be 2030 in real terms then?
 
#15
I'd put money on the other way and going joint. Several other countries have done it and have a logistics service. Not sure about wearing a purple uniform though, clashes with eyes.
 
#16
TrueBlueTrog said:
Good rumour to start though! See how strong that esprit de corps really is! plus my TRFs are getting a bit tatty now so i could do with a change.

Why don't we just settle for trade badges or letters within the TRF like the AGC (i always like trying to guess what them initials stand for) rather than going down the whole new Corps route, far to upsetting for those who have worked so hard making the RLC what it is today! 8)
That would be cracking....would open up loads of new Wha's.....what's MD stand for Sir lol....
 

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#19
Going back to the remark by Dettingen a few days ago:

"I'd put money on the other way and going joint. Several other countries have done it and have a logistics service. Not sure about wearing a purple uniform though, clashes with eyes."

Notwithstanding the fashion statement (!), I don't know about you but the day we go to Joint Logistics Organisation is the day a highly indignant resignation letter is submitted. It is bad enough we have the REME playing logistics, let alone RAF and deep blue RN types joining the log HQ party in Afghanistan. Personally I think the Army have rolled over and taken one up the arrse far too often with regard to acquiescing to Joint positions and MORE Jointery. A purple log org...great - NOT. Mind you, sadly, I suspect you are right...but,

Jointery goes so far and then it enters the realms of idiocy - the great failed social experiment that the Canadians went through proved that in spades when they went to one Defence Force many years ago; it destroyed the morale of all three services, did not work and they ended up going back to three services. A huge amount of pain for zero sum game imposed on them by a lunatic liberal civvie politician who did not understand things such as ethos and esprit de corps. Theoretically they still have one Joint log organisation - but in reality, their log pers are soldiers, sailors or airmen/women, think themselves as such and act as such.

Purpleness - Bah humbug.

Any reorg of the Corps required ? Not in my view, bar anything that can be done to help maintain Regimental cohesiveness on operations but we need to train our soldier logisticians (including officers in particular) about Supply Chain management and we really do need to get better at supply. Rather than spending money reorging the Corps, what we really need is an integrated log IS system that actually works which everyone uses, based on windows and microsoft office plus specialist applications. Decent log IS means we could then figure out where the hell everything is at any given time and therefore manage it properly and distribute it. And this log IS system needs to be from the Base to the F Ech in the right numbers (we do not need a repeat IS fiasco such as the JPA pish). The current log IS systems do not cut it and I remain to be convinced the newer systems coming on line (sometime in the future) will give us what we need although it should be better. I cannot believe as an old trucker I am saying these things but it is what required to bring us into 21st century logistics. Maersk and Eddie Stobarts can do it - why can't we ? Lets get better at what we do (which all things considered we generally do well) rather than reinventing the Wheel.

On another related matter, I have heard it expressed that we should have log pers doing the QM functions in all Regiments and Bns. Whilst I understand the sentiment, I would not wish to break long held traditions or the traditional career path for LEs. Further, I do believe the traditional QM is a key part of a CO's team and brings a huge amount to a Regiment, but maybe we should put a professional log cadre in each Regiment and Battalion as key log management pers and log advisors - a permanent LSD (Capt led), the RQMS and QM (T). Just MHO. Thoughts ?
 
#20
Soldier-Poet said:
On another related matter, I have heard it expressed that we should have log pers doing the QM functions in all Regiments and Bns. Whilst I understand the sentiment, I would not wish to break long held traditions or the traditional career path for LEs. Further, I do believe the traditional QM is a key part of a CO's team and brings a huge amount to a Regiment, but maybe we should put a professional log cadre in each Regiment and Battalion as key log management pers and log advisors - a permanent LSD (Capt led), the RQMS and QM (T). Just MHO. Thoughts ?
Good on that man!

Sorry to come into your party and start conversation where it ain't wanted (hey it's the internet, come on in) but I am a scaley by profession (corps) and a rather great fan of this. I think that the QM Tech and RQ Tech should be career logisticians, although not the QM Maint/Gen and his RQ - cos that's a different job and therefore a different kettle of fish entirely.

Using the same logic, I think that the C2 practitioners in each Regt should be Royal Signals, so if I was in charge (that would be a very bad day for the country I admit! :D ) I would subsume all Signal Pls/Tps into R SIGNALS, all MTs into RLC, all QM Tech into RLC and so on. We should think in "business" terms about the things that we bring to the party and add value (i.e. excellence).

Although, to counter that, that's what they did with the AGC. Look how that's turned out. :roll:
 

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