resigning? not anymore?

Discussion in 'Army Reserve' started by quiller, Feb 3, 2003.

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  1. i take it that you all know, that as of one month ago, it is now illegal to resign from the TA.
  2. Try and enforce that one mate......the legal cost alone would break the bank!

    Also it is a pretty pointless excercise to forcibly hold onto an individual who wants to leave.  Being as they are in the TA they have the option of not turning up to training or being a severe pain in the ass, depressing unit morale + pissing everybody else off.  

    Much better if they want out to let them go..
  3. Quiler,

    could you point me towards a bit of info that backs your claim up or is it a friend of a friend told you??

    I'm pretty sure there would have been a mention at prayers if it was true.
  4. Wouldn't matter anyway.

    Once you have passed as a trained soldier (albeit TA) even if you resign you are still regarded as a reservist and am on any potential lists.
  5. msr

    msr LE

    You are theoretically liable for call up until the end of your engagement period - but consider the PR nightmare of enforcing that.

    You can leave at any time, except when you have been served mobilisation papers.

    12 blokes (male and female) have been called up from my Regiment (RSignals). All are going.

  6. i'll have a word with the PSAO and get back to you, it came out in ours so i should be able to get the source.
  7. i checked up on this today with our PSAO and he has heard nothing about this at all, in fact as he has just retired from the TA to take up this job he was pretty much up to date with all the ins and outs of the legal side of life regarding such things.

    He seems to think that what has been referred to is the Queens order whereby in the event of conflict the Government can put a bar on people resigning from Military duty, as with the Regulars in the old days of protected trades and employments the similar can and does exist in the TA, as it stands at the moment with the call up of reservists i assume that this may have been mentioned and that the policy may be in force.

    However one thing i found today is that when you resign from the TA and have left, you definitely do not have any contract as a reservist, you are finished completely and would not get called back or pressed into it ;)

    There is no where in the regulations or the terms of service at attestation for a TA soldier that commits him or her to follow up service when they have discharged and left, if it was a requirement then it would definitely be in the terms of your contracts

    With 6,000 reservists now being called up for a possible war with Iraq, BBC News Online examines where that leaves their day jobs and the companies they are leaving behind.

    Why are these people being called up at all?

    The former servicemen and women - and members of the Volunteer Reserves - are being "called up" under what is known as mobilisation - making extra forces available for military operations.

    This Reserve Forces Mobilisation Act 1996 states that mobilisation can take place under three circumstances:

    -if a national danger appears imminent

    - if it appears that warlike preparations are in progress

    - if it appears necessary to use Armed Forces outside the UK for the protection of lives.

    How does the process actually take place - who informs the employer that they will be without a member of staff?

    An employee receives his or her so-called 'call up' letter, together with a letter to present to their employer.

    The letter sets out the date and possible duration of the mobilisation and informs the employer of its rights to apply for an exemption.

    The normal notification period is at least two weeks, although it is unlikely that reservists would be called without the general public, and hence the reservists, already being aware that this was a possibility.

    The two-week period is deemed sufficient by the mobilisation act for reservists to "put their affairs in order".

    So does the reservist have to go?

    If the employer can prove that the reservist's absence would have an adverse effect on the business, or that he or she is needed by the company, then it can appeal.

    The company can seek either a total exemption or a deferral of mobilisation, but cannot sack the employee because they have been called up.

    It can also appeal if the employee's absence would cause "serious harm" to any other business, a partner or other employees.

    The definition of "serious harm" varies between firms, but regulations specifically state it must mention the serious loss of sales, markets, reputation, goodwill or other financial harm.

    It can also mean the loss to research of new products or services.

    An employer must appeal within seven days of receiving the mobilisation letter.

    Supposing the reservist does go - doesn't this leave big gaps?

    Reserve Forces Regulations provide different types of financial award that the company can apply for - irrespective of whether the reservist has been voluntarily or compulsorily mobilised.

    The basic Employers Standard Award covers initial replacement costs, such as the price of advertising and interviewing a replacement.

    It also covers any agency fees and the cost of retraining the reservist upon their return.

    A company may also be eligible for a Hardship Award, if the standard award didn't meet the full costs.

    What about the reservists and their families?

    The reservist can claim for extra financial assistance if his or her military salary is less than their package at work.

    The reservist is also entitled to remain a member of his occupational pension scheme. In such cases, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) will pay the employer's pension contribution, provided the employee keeps up their payments.

    Alternatively, the reservist can opt for Armed Forces' pension scheme benefits.

    What about a reservist's other "financial affairs" such as life insurance?

    Mobilisation could affect a reservist's life insurance and personal effects insurance, making them invalid unless he or she informs the insurance company of their change in circumstances.

    The MoD and War Pensions Agency also provide financial provisions for ill health or death when this is shown to be the result of their service.

    However, they also recommend that the reservist consider taking out further insurance.

    "The need for additional insurance is an important consideration for the protection of Reservist and their families.

    "It would therefore be sensible for Reservists to consider taking up such insurance," says SaBRE - Supporting Britain's Reservists and Employers, which offers advice to companies with reservists on their payroll.

    What happens when the reservists come back?

    Their former employer is bound to re-employ them if they wish to return to their old job.

    However, reservists must stick to certain date limits and re-apply within a certain time after their return.
  9. Check out Section 17 (I think) of the Reserve Forces Act.  Given the statutory instrument (callout notice) that's now been placed before Parliament, it IS possible for the authorities to block resignation should they choose to do so.
  10. Leegal,

    Absolutely correct-  here's the script from RFA 96 (para. 4 applies, as this is a Section 54 callout).  This only applies to soldiers though and NOT officers, who can currently only be stopped from resigning their Commission under a Section 52 callout, or if in receipt of a callout notice or pending disciplinary action. This is due to be amended in early Summer 03.

    17. - (1) Where, at the time he would (apart from this section) become entitled to be discharged under section 16, a man is in permanent service or full-time service under a full-time service commitment, he shall not be entitled to be discharged until he is released from that service.
         (2) Where, at the time when a man not in permanent service or full-time service under a full-time service commitment would (apart from this section) become entitled to be discharged under section 16(1), an order under section 52 is in force authorising the call out of members of any reserve force, he may be required to prolong his service for such further term, not exceeding 12 months, as the Defence Council or an authorised officer may order.
         (3) In subsection (2)"authorised officer" means an officer authorised by or in accordance with directions of the Defence Council to exercise the power conferred by that subsection.
         (4) Where, at the time when a man not in permanent service or full-time service under a full-time service commitment would (apart from this section) become entitled to be discharged under section 16(2), an order under section 52 or 54 is in force authorising the call out of members of any reserve force, he shall not be entitled to be so discharged while that call-out order is in force.