Resignation deepens Gaza crisis

#1
Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya has accepted the resignation of his interior minister following a new wave of factional fighting in Gaza.
Hani Qawasmi offered to resign last month in protest at worsening security, but was persuaded to stay on.

Seven people have been killed in two days of violence in Gaza, the worst since Hamas and Fatah agreed to form a unity government in February.

Mr Qawasmi, a non-partisan official, was named after months of wrangling.

Up to 400 people have died in clashes between the two factions since the Islamist Hamas won last year's parliamentary elections.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6653437.stm
 
#2
Funny how quick they have been to turn on each other since Israel built the wall and made attacking their citizens more difficult eh?
 

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#3
Khyros said:
Funny how quick they have been to turn on each other since Israel built the wall and made attacking their citizens more difficult eh?
The wall is around the area called the West Bank. These troubles are happening in Gaza which is next to Egypt, and not yet walled, tho' of course it may as well be, I suppose Razor wire is the next best thing :roll:
 
#4
Meh... things have been just as exciting within the West Bank territory as well... just that Gaza is a bit friendlier to journalists at the moment and has been much easier to reach.

Didn't Egypt close that entry point they opened a couple months ago? Heard a statement that enough firepower to equip an infantry battalion came through there unchallanged in the first few hours alone.

You'd be amazed how easily the locals in that area can breach concertina... especially the bedouins in the Sinai, seen their wire crossing skills first hand and it's impressive (bad idea to leave choice items appearing to be ungaurded in one's observation post.)

Now obstacles under observation and covered with direct and indirect fires on the other hand...
 
#5
Nehustan said:
Khyros said:
Funny how quick they have been to turn on each other since Israel built the wall and made attacking their citizens more difficult eh?
The wall is around the area called the West Bank. These troubles are happening in Gaza which is next to Egypt, and not yet walled, tho' of course it may as well be, I suppose Razor wire is the next best thing :roll:
Gaza fence exists, though it is not a concrete wall as in the West Bank and unlike it Gaza fence follows the border.

 
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Khyros said:
Funny how quick they have been to turn on each other since Israel built the wall and made attacking their citizens more difficult eh?
Yes, its a great outcome all round, isn't it?

I, for one, have no truck with the moaning minnies who try to suggest that this has anything to do with the widespread disaffection felt by many Muslims to the West, and the USA in particular, and thus the support for attacks on that nation - no siree. You just encourage those Israelis to keep right on kicking sorry Arab arse. :roll:
 
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Dilfor said:
Khyros said:
Funny how quick they have been to turn on each other since Israel built the wall and made attacking their citizens more difficult eh?
Yes, its a great outcome all round, isn't it?

I, for one, have no truck with the moaning minnies who try to suggest that this has anything to do with the widespread disaffection felt by many Muslims to the West, and the USA in particular, and thus the support for attacks on that nation - no siree. You just encourage those Israelis to keep right on kicking sorry Arab arse. :roll:
Someone's got to
 

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#8
Yeah, if it wasn't for Israel, the people in Gaza and the West bank wouldn't be fighting other! Fatah and Hamas would be great buddies otherwise, just like Shias and Sunnis, but that's our fault too.
 
#9
Following the signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, a civil war erupted in Ireland between pro-treaty and anti-treaty factions. While the acceptance of the treaty was ratified by referendum, there was a large minority that continued to find the creation of Northern Ireland an unacceptable compromise. In 1922, the IRA was founded by members of the anti-treaty faction who had participated in the guerrilla war against the British, lost the civil war and continued to refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland.

http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=55

some parallels, past, present, future, perhaps...
 
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Biped said:
Yeah, if it wasn't for Israel, the people in Gaza and the West bank wouldn't be fighting other! Fatah and Hamas would be great buddies otherwise, just like Shias and Sunnis, but that's our fault too.
Fatah and Hamas wouldn't exist were it not for the existance of Israel. Neither would Gaza and the West bank as now understood. Cornered people anywhere soon act like rats.
And don't think Israel doesn't like it just this very way.
 
#15
I heard some Palestinian rent a mouth gobbing off on the BBC World Service that its all the wests fault for not giving them money to pay the bills and wages. How-fcuking-come its our fault?! Stop killing each other and start building an economy and earn their own bloody money. Barbarians the lot of them, lock them in until they can learn to play with the civilised nations of the earth.

Nothing more than an internal power struggle for power and influence - hence money - all dressed up as someone elses fault. Oh the poor repressed Palestinians. They really p1ss me off as they never have anything new to say and drag themselves down into the mud while whinging about how everyone else should be helping them. They had their chance and blew it in the 90's. W@nkers....

And breathe...
 
#16
Ord_Sgt said:
I heard some Palestinian rent a mouth gobbing off on the BBC World Service that its all the wests fault for not giving them money to pay the bills and wages. How-fcuking-come its our fault?! Stop killing each other and start building an economy and earn their own bloody money. Barbarians the lot of them, lock them in until they can learn to play with the civilised nations of the earth.

Nothing more than an internal power struggle for power and influence - hence money - all dressed up as someone elses fault. Oh the poor repressed Palestinians. They really p1ss me off as they never have anything new to say and drag themselves down into the mud while whinging about how everyone else should be helping them. They had their chance and blew it in the 90's. W@nkers....

And breathe...
My bold

I agree with You to this extent. However, inbetween the criminals of both parties kicking off are the ordinary people who want nothing more than to live their lives and earn that money.

I don't disagree with the PA getting their funding, whether they be Hamas or Fatah, so long as they acknowledge that Israel has as much right to exist as does their state
 
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goodkurtz - do you think Palestinians are ever responsible for their own actions ? resistance to the Israelis is one thing, but I would think that most people would argue that Palestinians alone are responsible for killing one another. sure the Israelis might like that situation, just as the Palestinians might like it if the Israelis spent all their time killing one another instead of arabs. the issue were discussing though is Palestinian on Palestinian violence.
 
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I'm amazed to find myself in complete agreement with you Sven.

I hope this doesn't happen too often ;)
 
#19
sven wrote
I don't disagree with the PA getting their funding, whether they be Hamas or Fatah, so long as they acknowledge that Israel has as much right to exist as does their state
Why on earth is it constantly demanded that before being allowed a state of their own that the Palestians must acknowledge the existance of another state?
How can people with no state officially recognise the people who have one?

To demand this of the Palestinians is to in fact say to them that they will have no state of their own. Because any state they might be granted would in the first instant have to have in its core, the interest of another one.

Could you imagine that before the act of union between England and Scotland was allowed to be enacted forming the national entity of Great Britain both nations had first to recognise France's right to exist?
Of course not it would be a nonsence.
 
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Sid_Viscose said:
goodkurtz - do you think Palestinians are ever responsible for their own actions ? resistance to the Israelis is one thing, but I would think that most people would argue that Palestinians alone are responsible for killing one another. sure the Israelis might like that situation, just as the Palestinians might like it if the Israelis spent all their time killing one another instead of arabs. the issue were discussing though is Palestinian on Palestinian violence.
You can't look at Palestinian on Palestinian violence with out looking at the physical and political environment in which they operate. There is nothing particularly contemptible about Palestinians in particular.
If British people had been living in those lands subject to the intense on going stresses that those particular Arabs have for the past 50 odd years we also would be topping each other.
It really is not good enough to place people in an impossible position and then tut tut when their behaviour becomes disturbed.
 

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