Resettlement into Security Management

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    ARC Training has just launched a course to train servicemen to be security managers rather than security guards. Follow the link to 'Transition Security Management'
  2. A five day course which attempts to give you the basics on:

    • CCTV and Lighting
    • Investigations
    • Manpower Selection and Deployment
    • Procedures and Emergencies
    • Security of Information and IT Systems
    • Protection against Explosive Devices
    • Protection of at-Risk Personnel
    • Security Risk Management
    • Designing Loss Prevention Measures
    • An Introduction to Security Surveying
    • Physical Security of Perimeters
    • Physical Security of Buildings
    • Access Control
    • Intruder Detection Systems being a little optimistic, I'd say. It might be that they intend this course to be purely an 'introduction', but I can think of better ways of spending GBP650, frankly; the ASIS CPP for instance, which takes a bit longer but has real credibility worldwide. Looking further down their list of courses, they have a series of three 'university accredited' 10-day sessions for which they charge GBP4700 each, and which "provide(s) a pathway for delegates wishing to further their studies in security management with Middlesex University." Fine if your company/HMG's paying the bill (but I would deeply suspect the true value of the courses, by the way), but if it comes out of your own wallet, avoid. There are excellent academic courses which come with credibility for less (I couldn't find the Middlesex University course in security management on the site, though.) Look at the various Loughborough and Leicester courses before committing cash to this.
  3. Its all well and good being trained in security managament to a basic level, which even if reenforcing actual man management skills as an NCO won't mean a damned thing because the security industry has an extremely flat chain of command and is the reason the overwhelming majority of security companies claim to 'only promote from within' - which is absolute BS since I've sat next to a guy being interviewed for a senior management position!

    Either way, the companies will see your qualification, decide they need guards and try and reel you into that with a bit of crap about "We'll see in six months". Don't bite.

    Just to add insult to injury if you do do this (or similar course) you will find its the fat knacker who kisses the most arse who gets the promotion and is then left to his new position with little or no management training.
  4. Fully agree with Whisky Breath. I have been working in Africa with one of the big British/International security/risk management companies for 6 years and I haven't met anyone who has much good to say about these short cover-all-subjects courses.

    ASIS CPP is the distance learning course that is favoured the most and is internationally recognised. It's a bit more expensive than £650 when you have bought all the books (and you have to buy them) and the coursework is learning by rote, but I think it would stand you in good stead.

    A longer course worth considering is the Leicester University MSc in security and risk management. It costs a few bob and if you are not a graduate you will have to take a test to see if you are up to it (free). The Leicester MSc will get you a good job overseas or in UK for good money and would be a sound investment.

    I would get in touch direct with the companies you are interested in and ask them for what qualification they would like you to have. I'm sure any half-decent HR manager (is there such a thing?) would spare you 5 mins on the phone to give you their advice
  5. Ive got CPP - its OK but run from the states and is very much orientated to their security circumstances. It requires about 3-4 months study.

    You need to demonstrate several years experience as a security person in 'responsible charge' and references are also required.

    It is worth doing if you can commit time and cash.
  6. The Resettlement Training Center, Aldershot now offers a Security management qual and will not rip you off. Have a look at the ctp web site for details
  7. I have looked at the CTP website and found that these courses are being run by Anubis Associates and they are also doing CP and a consultants course. Does anyone have anymore info on Anubis? Has anyone booked or done a course with them?
  8. I am working in the surveillance/ security field for a govt Agency. I am saddled with civvies in the team who vary from not bad operators to the totally useless but keen. I would love to have trained guys join me and we may be looking for bods soon.
    to properly address the topic my suggestion would be to not worry too much about the CCTV field as this is swamped with loads of little companies at the moment. if you are going in to security management, specialise. you have to be the dogs danglers at something rather than being fair at most things.
    a short course will not do much.
  9. I've looked at all options.

    CPP - its a good thing but its US-led and does take a bit of effort and prior, referenced experience to obtain.

    Doing Leicester at the moment, content is not ideal for the modern corporate security manager - one of the course books last published 1996 and theres been a lot of water under the bridge since then technologically and in CCTV generally. But I'll stick with it.

    CTP security management is too low level. Consultants are 10 a penny and frankly I don't know how many of them make a living.

    In my experience - and I work in corporate security - you need a good broad base of knowledge before you start to specialise further on and to become the 'dog's danglers' takes time.

    The reason I pointed this course out is that it seems a reasonable course for the basics and the company is well-known and well regarded for security management training - not training bouncers, CP and guards.
  10. I'm surprised that the International Insititute of Security (IISec) hasn't been mentioned so far. I did their Membership exams (which gave you a couple of level 2 City & Guilds qualifications) before I left the Army all those years ago, and before doing an elf 'n safety certificate on resettlement (which was very useful, by the way, and added significant value to my 1st-year salary!). As a qualification it's fine, but much more valuable was the way it provided a transition from military method to civil, and at a very understandable and distinctly non-academic level.

    I wouldn't recommend the Loughborough PG Certificate, Diploma and MSc courses for someone entering the field directly (ie without a fairly lengthy Int Corps or RMP background), in my humble opinion, as they are academically-structured and narrowly-focused, and I can't see that they would be of much real use to someone in his or her first years in the industry - later, however, very much so. I can't speak for the Leicester course, which is a taught syllabus as opposed to research.