Reservist fighting his fifth war call-up

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Its time to crash that car into a wall and break a few bones by the sound of it!
 

The_Duke

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Having just spent two weeks at their version of RTMC (gloat, gloat) it is apparent that it is not that unusual. I spoke with one Sgt who was mobilising for the 4th time, with a between tour interval of around 12 months.

What was even more surprising was that he did not complain, and actully commented that he felt pleased that they had allowed him 12 months off between 400 day tours!
 
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The_Duke said:
Having just spent two weeks at their version of RTMC (gloat, gloat) it is apparent that it is not that unusual. I spoke with one Sgt who was mobilising for the 4th time, with a between tour interval of around 12 months.
Bet he's got an understanding employer.
 
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The_Duke said:
Having just spent two weeks at their version of RTMC (gloat, gloat) it is apparent that it is not that unusual. I spoke with one Sgt who was mobilising for the 4th time, with a between tour interval of around 12 months.

What was even more surprising was that he did not complain, and actully commented that he felt pleased that they had allowed him 12 months off between 400 day tours!
Dont get me wrong...I would do (Better wage in Army)it but dont think my civi work place would swing it!

How does their RTMC work.....is it better/worse?
 
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Wow and i thought we had it bad...

To coin a phrase "that really sucks man". :(
 

The_Duke

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T_N,

Fort Dix is a major facility with all sorts of great assets for mobilisation and demobilisation.

They spend 60 - 90 days there before deployment, doing all the usual G1 stuff, generic pre tour training plus role specific pre deployment training.

OK as long as you don't mind spending 3 months in your own country with no beer and wearing CBA and helmet all the time!

Great hosts though.
 
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The Duke, from what you saw, would you say the US reserves fair better in comparison with their regular counterparts than the TA do with the British Army?

It's just that the US National Gaurd seems to be trusted with more responible tasks than the TA do, and they don't tend to fill the regular ranks, but mobilise as a reservist unit more often, or have I got it wrong?

I can only think of a few TA units that have gone out on their own and if they do it's usually force protection (though not for one moment suggesting FP isn't important)
 

The_Duke

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Mark,

I didn't see enough of them to make a considered judgement on that.

One point was obvious though - they deploy more often and for much longer, but accept that as part and parcel of getting pensions, medical and dental coverage, education costs covered etc.

They also seem to be able to move between reserve and active duty (TA to regular) with ease, but at the cost of having to do the same "school" for everything as their regular counterparts.

In short, they get better benefits, and are more likely to be used in role, but pay for this in terms of mobilisation requirements (all mobiisation is compulsory, with no opt out) and a higher training bill when not deployed.

Take your choice - benefits vs liability.
 
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I don't know what I would want really, they do seem to earn a lot more respect than we do with their fellow countrymen (I suppose the same can be said with their regular army too though) and with their regular counterparts.

But being compulsery mobilised for the 5th time is taking the p!ss a bit, they may as well have joined the regular army with that kind of commitment.

Do you know if regular courses are open to them(I assume so with the "same school" comment), that would be something I would like to see in the TA, as it stands there are only a few but it would be nice to have the option of things like regular basic training, full P coy and AACC (including the full beat ups) and trade courses just so there wouldn't be any allegations of stabs doing things the easy way, and of course the added benifit of being trained as well as your regular counerparts when mobilised, I'm not saying it should be compulsery in the TA but it would be nice to have the option. But then again I suppose if you did all that you would have to repay all that time and money spent on you by putting a few more tours in and again you may as well go regular.
 
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He's an Army Reservist, rather than National Guard, which means the rules on deploying him are different.

I've read anecdotal evidence which suggests that historically the US Army treat the Reserves as a sort of temping agency, with much more flexibility than our FTRS contracts.
 
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A few things to keep in mind about America's Army Reserve & National Guard components.

1.) Army Reserve Units, are all service/support providers. (Non-Combat)

2.) All Combat units were moved into the National Guard, to include two Special Forces Groups (19th & 20th SFG(A)

3.) Army reservists, can be called up as individuals by MOS. National Guard soldiers are normally called up as a unit.

4.) Many reserve soldiers are obligated to serve a total of (8) Years. Most are in the IRR and don't attend meeting or get any pay, etc.

Quote from the article on the Sgt.:

"Nearly seven years into his eight-year commitment to the reserves."

IRR:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/usar-irr.htm

All Reserve:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/usar.htm

In this case, I also think that (5) call-ups is a little 'over the top.'

That said, if the Sgt. has finished or has no obligation to serve, he could opt out of the reserve and not reenlist, etc. after his enlistment is over. (It looks like he still owes Uncle Sam, (1) year!)

I don't have much sympathy for soldiers, especially Officers and Senior NCOs that collect the pay and bennies while serving in a Reserve or National Guard unit and then bitch & moan, when asked to perform their duties as a soldier! :x

I'm much like the 'Brit' that was mentioned with all the duty tours, I'd be VERY happy to be able serve my Country, when and if I was needed.
 
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ssupersixfour said:
The_Duke said:
Having just spent two weeks at their version of RTMC (gloat, gloat) it is apparent that it is not that unusual. I spoke with one Sgt who was mobilising for the 4th time, with a between tour interval of around 12 months.
Bet he's got an understanding employer.
Employers really Love their workers to be in the reserves in the US.

Wish the same could be said about here. SaBRE are doing well and everything, But there are still a good many employers who frown upon/wont hire full stop, Reservists.

PTS
 
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Mark in the Guard and Reserves you still receive the same basic military education. If you enlist you go through the same basic that an active duty guy would go through and the same AIT. If your an officer, you still go through the same OBC etc. The difference is that if you are not deployed or in the process of deploying your committment is scoff snicker, one drill a month and a two week AT sometime in the year, scoff snicker.
 

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