Reserve light Cavalry

Snapper 25

Old-Salt
I've been looking at the reserve light cavalry units and they all specialise In reconnaissance. If they deplyed would they actually get to do this with the regular light cav regiments?. Or would they more likely end up doing something else?.
Are all the regular light cav trained in reconnaissance or is it a specialist element within them?.

Thanks In advance.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
From hearsay and gossip from a mate involved they freeze to death in Wolf Landies and spend a considerable amount of time tabbing and digging in.
 

NemoIII

War Hero
From hearsay and gossip from a mate involved they freeze to death in Wolf Landies and spend a considerable amount of time tabbing and digging in.

Include getting absolutely pi** wrapped and you've hit the nail on the head.
 

AlienFTM

MIA
Book Reviewer
I've been looking at the reserve light cavalry units and they all specialise In reconnaissance. If they deplyed would they actually get to do this with the regular light cav regiments?. Or would they more likely end up doing something else?.
Are all the regular light cav trained in reconnaissance or is it a specialist element within them?.

Thanks In advance.
Just yesterday I received a newsletter from the Light Dragoons. It published an OrBat which suggested to me that on transition to war, each LD troop (4 Jackal, 1 officer, 11 men) will acquire and extra Jackal and a Yeomanry crew of 4.

I'm afraid the limitations of a Fire 7 prevent me from copying and pasting. PM me your email address and I'll forward the newsletter.
 

Snapper 25

Old-Salt
I've sent you a pm alienFTM (I hope I've done It right).

Would they actually do any reconnaissance when deployed or is it like the HAC where It's highly unlikely get to do It for real?.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
I suspect it would depend on what they were deployed to do and if in a war time role?
 

AlienFTM

MIA
Book Reviewer
I've sent you a pm alienFTM (I hope I've done It right).

Would they actually do any reconnaissance when deployed or is it like the HAC where It's highly unlikely get to do It for real?.
A Sqn LD spent most of last year on operational readiness with the Household Cavalry Battle group. I'd assume there was also a squadron of Scimitars from one of the CVR(T) regiments.

The actual rôle of the light cavalry in the Adaptive Force is new and not exactly set in stone (LD have been making it up as they go along, with QDG and Scots DG joining in as they come into the rôle).

I don't see why light cavalry would not be doing recce. It's a large part of what they've been about since 1759.

Edit. @Snapper 25 , you've got mail.
 

Purple_Emperor

War Hero
If you mean - would the reserve light Cav units do the same role as regular ones then yes. The Royal Yeomanry put out a complete squadron on Wessex Storm last month where they acted as Brigade Troops the same as the LD squadron that was out. At the moment there are half a dozen yeomen with QDG on exercise in the US and next year we will be providing soldiers to the QDG on Op Cabritt in Eastern Europe.

Is recce part of the Light Cav role? - yes, along with a whole load more. Lots of dismounted as well as mounted tasks.


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I've just got back from Wessex Storm, we were working with the Royal Irish as their brigade recce asset. We did a lot of screening and OP's, as well as some raids with part of the troop dismounting whilst the rest put down fire support. The OPFOR had CVRT whilst we were in RWMIK's, needless to say we skirted around them where possible and called in arty target whenever we spotted them.
 

NemoIII

War Hero
The OPFOR had CVRT whilst we were in RWMIK's, needless to say we skirted around them where possible and called in arty target whenever we spotted them.

Can't agree more, other than long straight roads the CVRT was all over us and that's even on Jackals. Spend most of the time in on the plain driving around at 10mph scared in case you roll the thing.

Second one we done was against warriors, honestly never seen something move so fast across ground like that. If you were spotted by a warrior they would drive straight up to you knowing we couldn't touch them.

Open my eyes in how fast a armoured BG would be able to manoeuvre around the battlefield
 
Can't agree more, other than long straight roads the CVRT was all over us and that's even on Jackals. Spend most of the time in on the plain driving around at 10mph scared in case you roll the thing.

Absolutely! I was in a partial rollover about 20 minutes after H hour, we were negotiating some dead ground approaching Imber, the plain was bone dry in the glorious weather we've had but we seemed to find the only wet spot there, all of a sudden the WMIK just dropped and was completely on its side, as gunner in the back it was a brief brown trouser moment. We soon got recovered and back on task though.

I definitely learned a lot about light recce on Wessex Storm.
 
Can't agree more, other than long straight roads the CVRT was all over us and that's even on Jackals. Spend most of the time in on the plain driving around at 10mph scared in case you roll the thing.

Second one we done was against warriors, honestly never seen something move so fast across ground like that. If you were spotted by a warrior they would drive straight up to you knowing we couldn't touch them.

Open my eyes in how fast a armoured BG would be able to manoeuvre around the battlefield

So in other words you were training on how to be out gunned and out maneuvered? Not a dig at yourselves by the way, more swipe at the twats who have unlearned lessons and cut capability to save money......
 

NemoIII

War Hero
So in other words you were training on how to be out gunned and out maneuvered? Not a dig at yourselves by the way, more swipe at the twats who have unlearned lessons and cut capability to save money......

Could hear the Warriors from miles away, couldn't run, could maybe hide if you were lucky, least the noise of them give you a few minutes to get hidden. Could only pass the information on and hope tth could get Anti Armour in time.
 

NemoIII

War Hero
Absolutely! I was in a partial rollover about 20 minutes after H hour, we were negotiating some dead ground approaching Imber, the plain was bone dry in the glorious weather we've had but we seemed to find the only wet spot there, all of a sudden the WMIK just dropped and was completely on its side, as gunner in the back it was a brief brown trouser moment. We soon got recovered and back on task though.

I definitely learned a lot about light recce on Wessex Storm.

Thought a WMIK would be a little better than a Jackal, Yeomanry never managed to roll one when you've been attached to us, but definitely do able on the plain.

Have had plenty of Jackals got over when on exercise, and some people scared stiff with driving them, prefer being in the back as the operator. Definitely needs a lot of attention to the ground as they can be very dangerous.
 
Thought a WMIK would be a little better than a Jackal, Yeomanry never managed to roll one when you've been attached to us, but definitely do able on the plain.

Have had plenty of Jackals got over when on exercise, and some people scared stiff with driving them, prefer being in the back as the operator. Definitely needs a lot of attention to the ground as they can be very dangerous.

Good to know as I'll be doing my Jackal course at some point in the next 12 months. Is it down to them being top heavy or having springy suspension? Obviously with the added weight of a .50cal on top plus ammunition and all the crews kit it adds a lot to it just like on the WMIK. The part roll was the only one we had through the ex but a few WMIK's got bellied when dropping into hidden tank tracks or trenches and needed a pull out.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
WMIK, take a 60 plus year old design and fit an anti AP mine belly plate then call it armoured. Dont give it a decent engine or transmission and wonder why what was often the best off roader is now overweight dog toffee.
Jackal, an attempt to armour a 4x4 at the expense of the crew and make it so top heavy that you will kill the crew when it rolls, (not if but when) but its armour so its ok.
Budget, nope not really got one but we seem to be dragging life out of UOR kit that isn't fit for purpose. Maybe when the limitations are realised then the roles will be better defined. Sadly that usually takes a war!
In Normandy the armoured cars weren't used properly until the great swan, even then the risks taken were huge.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
What I am trying to say is we are a small army, perhaps we should have a few excellent bits of kit available rather than trying to play at the game.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
Jackal will it drive through a hedge that a warrior could? If not then its a training only vehicle or our area of operations needs limiting to flat plains or roads with no hedges. I dont think Jackal is the answer to the future needs of recce.
What do we want Recce to do and what do we want to arm the crews with?

Edited to add, rather than take on new vehicles what exists that could be utilised for the role?



Warrior? Its fast, armoured, has Rarden, a good gun but one obviously designed for recce as its a pig to keep fed so you are going to avoid using it if possible. The bit in the back could hold a couple of dismounts/spare crew and shit loads of surveillance kit. How many are in WFM?
 
Can't agree more, other than long straight roads the CVRT was all over us and that's even on Jackals. Spend most of the time in on the plain driving around at 10mph scared in case you roll the thing.

Second one we done was against warriors, honestly never seen something move so fast across ground like that. If you were spotted by a warrior they would drive straight up to you knowing we couldn't touch them.

Open my eyes in how fast a armoured BG would be able to manoeuvre around the battlefield

I've been in the back of Warrior moving fast enough to leave the ground as it drove over bumps / sudden declines. Noisy as hell but a very comfy ride.
 

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