Researchers discover two distinct forms of Gulf War illness.

#4
28 veterans plus 10 in a control group is quite a low sample size.
Indeed: and they make some very bold assertions from the outset...........'Gulf War Illness (GWI) has affected 25% to 30% of the approximately 700,000 military personnel who served in the 1990–1991 Persian Gulf War'
 
#5
As Craign says, a very small sample. I've read the study and there is no mention of what the veterans had in the way of jabs and tabs. It needs to be greatly enlarged upon for it to be considered more seriously IMHO.
 
#6
two forms, one real the other compensation.
 
#7
As Craign says, a very small sample. I've read the study and there is no mention of what the veterans had in the way of jabs and tabs. It needs to be greatly enlarged upon for it to be considered more seriously IMHO.
The other thing is the 10 control people, 4 are civvies and of the 6 military types on it only 3 had been in combat zones or other contributing factor that the study wanted, effectively making it a control group of 3 like-for-likes.
 
#8
28 veterans plus 10 in a control group is quite a low sample size.
That is a excellent point, however, i would argue that based on the evidence of these findings, if brain damage/dysfunction has genuinely been detected in this small sample group of American 1st Gulf Veterans, all the more reason to have this test now conducted en mass to establish how many more Veterans might be affected.

UK Government would now have a moral obligation to test it's own Op Granby veteran community (what's left of them) considering that both US & UK Forces were ordered to take the same experimental drug cocktail in addition to being exposed to the very same toxic atmospheric pollutants at that time.
 
#11
That is a excellent point, however, i would argue that based on the evidence of these findings, if brain damage/dysfunction has genuinely been detected in this small sample group of American 1st Gulf Veterans, all the more reason to have this test now conducted en mass to establish how many more Veterans might be affected.

UK Government would now have a moral obligation to test it's own Op Granby veteran community (what's left of them) considering that both US & UK Forces were ordered to take the same experimental drug cocktail in addition to being exposed to the very same toxic atmospheric pollutants at that time.
You think? And-as highlighted by this latest study-what group of individuals would be used as a control group? And to what would they compare any findings? Data obtained pre-GW1? I am unaware of any similar group survey.

And how could/would they factor the work and lifestyles of any of the subjects for the intervening 22 years?

To my mind, there are just too many variables to allow informed opinion as to causal effect to be established.
 
#12
That is a excellent point, however, i would argue that based on the evidence of these findings, if brain damage/dysfunction has genuinely been detected in this small sample group of American 1st Gulf Veterans, all the more reason to have this test now conducted en mass to establish how many more Veterans might be affected.

UK Government would now have a moral obligation to test it's own Op Granby veteran community (what's left of them) considering that both US & UK Forces were ordered to take the same experimental drug cocktail in addition to being exposed to the very same toxic atmospheric pollutants at that time.
You are absolutely right but it'll be conveniently ignored. The governments and opposition here and in the US know quite well that if neither side puts out press releases or makes commitments then the media will give up after a single news article on things like this. I'd be very surprised to see this in any major media source over here or repeated further in the US.
 
#13
They should do some research into Cold War Syndrome....it's much more nasty.....I mean, I awoke from a 24 year alcohol related coma to find myself surrounded by foreignors who claim to be my family!

I'm not alone...many others share the same symptoms......
 
#14
They should do some research into Cold War Syndrome....it's much more nasty.....I mean, I awoke from a 24 year alcohol related coma to find myself surrounded by foreignors who claim to be my family!

I'm not alone...many others share the same symptoms......
I had a similar experience, however I found a specialist who removed the offending foreigner (via the expensive Decree Absolute procedure).
 
#15
You are absolutely right but it'll be conveniently ignored. The governments and opposition here and in the US know quite well that if neither side puts out press releases or makes commitments then the media will give up after a single news article on things like this. I'd be very surprised to see this in any major media source over here or repeated further in the US.
I wouldn't bet on that.

A quick 5 minute search on Google would seem to confirm that this new development is being taken quite seriously by some major players on a nationwide scale.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/14/gulf-war-illness-study/2417677/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/15/u...es.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&partner=rss&emc=rss

Are there 2 types of Gulf War illness? - Philadelphia News, Weather and Sports from WTXF FOX 29

www.federalregister.gov/articles/20...gulf-war-veterans-illnesses-notice-of-meeting

Brain scans lead to discovery of two types of veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome » Standard-Times

Researchers find 2 types of brain atrophy in 'Gulf War illness' - latimes.com
 
#16
Which major players?

All these articles just regurgitate the same press release for a piece of gash research, which uses a statistically insignificant sample size with an even smaller (3 relevant subjects) statistically insignificant control group, that you linked to in the first post.

If you mean the VA one of your links even states that they are culling their budget into GWS work, albeit for somewhat political reasons.
 
#17
Which major players?

All these articles just regurgitate the same press release for a piece of gash research, which uses a statistically insignificant sample size with an even smaller (3 relevant subjects) statistically insignificant control group, that you linked to in the first post.

If you mean the VA one of your links even states that they are culling their budget into GWS work, albeit for somewhat political reasons.
Of course it's the same story, what other story would it be ?

The point i was trying to highlight was that i doubt very much this new research development can be simply classed as complete guff if so many major reputable US media outlets saw it as being fit & worthy of making the US national news.
 
#18
Of course it's the same story, what other story would it be ?

The point i was trying to highlight was that i doubt very much this new research development can be simply classed as complete guff if so many major reputable US media outlets saw it as being fit & worthy of making the US national news.
All they've done is to report the press release, as written by the research team, almost verbatim (the stories are very similar in wording) knowing that anything 'GWS' related is at least worth a couple of inches. It hasn't been taken any further than that or analysed/investigated/reported on further by any of them, although one, can't remember which, did at least approach the VA for a comment and got an extremely muted response to it.

It's not really a development, as the research doesn't even nearly meet any sensible standards in terms of reliability and significance as the sample size is woefully small. It also hasn't, unless I've missed that, been published in a peer reviewed journal.

To be frank it looks like someone's MSc equivalent project.
 

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#19
Of course it's the same story, what other story would it be ?

The point i was trying to highlight was that i doubt very much this new research development can be simply classed as complete guff if so many major reputable US media outlets saw it as being fit & worthy of making the US national news.
Yeah I've seen some american research before about drug addicts and it claimed that if people use Heroin it changes the structure of the brain so much so, they can never live without Methadone again. I've seen pictures of the brain claiming this but such small scale research means nothing. It can be reported anywhere but it doesn't matter.
 
#20
The study itself is of no significance but it will sell a few newspapers which is why the press will report on it. Considering the number who claim to be effected and the number already participating in trials then would reasonably expect a quite sizeable study group as well as control group. You would also have to correlate locations of all known sufferers because there were no universal conditions out there so one would not expect to see an even distribution of sufferers. This all smacks of making the methodology meet the desired result rather than letting investigations lead where they may. This is what we want to prove, now how do we do that?
 
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