Report: 7 Military Bands to be Axed

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  1. Another story from today's Sunday Telegraph. My regrets to anyone directly affected for whom this is the first notification, but it is now in the public domain anyway.

  2. What Bands does the Scottish division have? Weren't most already cut?
    Pipes and Drums are not "Bands"
  3. Highland and Lowland Bands
  4. So there are two Scottish Division Bands?
  5. Until 1994 each infantry battalion had its own Military Band, so there were seven such bands in the Scottish Division. In 1994 the 7 battalions were reduced to 6, and the 7 bands were reduced to 2, the Highland and Lowland Bands of the Scottish Division.

    As you rightly say, the Military Bands are not the same as the Pipes and Drums who are infantry soldiers belonging to each Battalion. There is no publicly-funded establishment for Pipes and Drums, their accoutrements were originally purchased by the regiment's officers and they typically form the Machine Gun platoon although this can vary depending on the battalion's role etc.
  6. Not surprised that mil bands are to be chopped.. Canadian Government did that a while back.. DND reduced all reserve band positions to Drum Major/Bugle Major/Band Master and Pipe Major/Band Leader as line serials and the bands/pipes and rums they commanded/lead were made ' voluntary ' and to be provided for from ' private consription... Most still operating today are covered by moneys from Regimental Associations and the ' olds boys' networks..

    No bandsman/pipers/drummers are paid for by the military unless they hold another tasking/line and serve in the band as an unpaid participant/volunteer..

    sad.. but, at least thry didn't disappear and still turn out to support all regumental/promotional functions..

    In the reg force the coprs of musiv were amalgamated or absorbed into larger entities , mainlt to trotted out for tourists, recruiting and to make the politicals ' look good ;..

    sadder still...
  7. I can understand the argument that military bands are good for the army's PR and in todays climate of a leaner better army a bit of a luxury, even if I don't agree with it. But what about the role carried out by these soldiers in war? Who's left doing nothing to provide the streacher bearers and medical assistants when the new leaner better army has no 'slack' and everyone else is busy?

    They really havent't got a clue have they?
  8. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    You can just see the next Rembrance Sunday parade:

    "Music provided by the Brixton Community Centre Steel Band - patron HCS* President T. Bliar"

    That's assuming he hasn't banned us from remembering our fallen......


    * = His Cnuting Slimeness
  9. Well WWI was before Year Zero of the Bounteous New Era (previously known as 1997) so he would have plenty of precedent.
  10. "Who's left doing nothing to provide the streacher bearers and medical assistants when the new leaner better army has no 'slack' and everyone else is busy?"

    Cue call up of reserve forces (both of the medics still left in the service after constant tours) - or even more likely shipping out Civilian medical contractors!!!

    I can just hear TCH blabbering on "we have found that the military necessity of medical services has reduced since the introduction of enhanced technology and stand off weapon systems"
    in other words, we dont need medics, because we havent got any soldiers left to actually get wounded!

    Tony/TCH/Brown - all Fcuking Wnakers!

  11. 8O feck me I had no idea the army even had 10 chunting bands never mind 30 of the feckers...........MDN's going to be gutted what with him having been the longest serving 2 i/c on the triangle in the ACC band, opps sorry AAC Band.... :D
  12. In autumn 1990 a number of military bands were deployed to the Middle East to act in their war role supporting the medical services. In several cases the bands deployed to the Gulf well ahead of their corresponding infantry battalions. I havent heard of any similar deployments for Op Telic.
  13. Doing away with Military Bands may seem innocuous given that the infantry, particularly the Scots, are fighting to retain their identity and traditions though their demise is more than just the disappearance of a few musicians.

    Until the 1990s, when someone in their infinite wisdom decided that Regimental Bands were an anachronism and a financial burden, Bandsmen in infantry battalions provided stretcher bearers and in many instances made up the intelligence teams in each rifle company on operations in NI and elsewhere, their service was invaluable.
    The presence of a Regimental Band providing music and a colourful presence at various events in a regiment's recruiting area undoubtedly enhanced recruiting. Their high visibility in overseas postings particularly in third world countries also went a long way to winning and retaining the hearts and minds of the local populace. They also boosted the morale of soldiers in barracks by providing military music (with the Pipes & Drums) for parades and entertainment at various functions.

    It seems that those in power are hell bent on eradicating every vestige of tradition in our infantry. They appear to believe tradition old fashioned, obsolete, sentimental and tinged, perhaps, with classism. Soldiers thrive on tradition, it instills pride and the ability to go on just that little bit longer for fear of letting down their predecessors whose hard won battle honours grace their colours. Why else is regimental history taught to our soldiers?

    So doing away with a few more bands should not be regarded lightly it is another nail in the coffin of the British infantry as we know it.
  14. when you want to mold everything in your own vision, everything that came before must be replaced, old traditions lost and dismissed.

    A typical move of Socialist/Communist Regimes as well.

    The traditional British Army, with it's unique identities and traditions, doesn't fit well in a new European Military.
  15. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    "You cannot subdugate a nation that has traditions."

    I can hardly wait for the hundred foot high portraits of The Glorious Leader on every street corner......