Replacement for LandRover

Wot @Ravers said . . . .

I was suggesting a more wider utilisation of Jackal and Foxhound, in the AJAX recce thread . . .


I realise they were/are basically armoured artic vehicle "tractor-units" (at an exorbitant £1 each?!), and that there was a declared intention to dispose of them all a.s.a.p. . . .

Note: I'm referring to the USA sourced HUSKY vehicles (although the smaller FOXHOUND vehicles might also still be available) . . . . not the 401 (quantity) PANTHER Italian "liaison" vehicles, with a reputation for overheating, no load space, which I think HAVE been disposed of, and the purchase of which should be the subject of a criminal investigation if it is not already
:( !!


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Plus,

The MoD has renamed the vehicle Foxhound in line with the "dog" names given to other wheeled armoured vehicles in British use, such as Mastiff and Ridgeback.

The original order was for 300 vehicles at a cost of £270m . . .
. . . . with another 25 ordered in 2012 at a cost of £30m.
Therefore . . . Unit cost: £923k (~US$1.5m) . . . F.F.S.

Manufacturer: Force Protection Europe (2009–...
Mass: Gross Vehicle Weight 7,500 kg (7.4 long ...

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British Army Foxhound armoured vehicles during Nato Exercise Trident Juncture in Norway, which involves more than 50,000 troops, 65 ships, 10,000 vehicles and 250 aircraft from all 29 member states of the alliance and partners [Contributor: PA Images / Alamy Stock Photo].


With vehicles of that weight class, why do they not have a third (driven) axle to spread the load and improve grip and braking ??
 
With vehicles of that weight class, why do they not have a third (driven) axle to spread the load and improve grip and braking ??
Normally due to space, armour and size, adding a 3rd axle would reduce space and increase armour and the overall size of the vehicle, mobility is not normally an issue with such vehicles.
 
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How about a fleet of these lovely things?
 

TamH70

MIA
How about a fleet of these lovely things?

I do like the look of that, oddly enough, but it don't have 4wd, or maybe my eyes skipped over them saying it did on the webpage?
 
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Like I say there's no practical reason existing Defenders shouldn't be rebuilt, and modified ad infinitum.
Sure you'll end up with a my grandfather's axe kind of situation but so what? My 90 is about 5 different vehicles but I've got it where I like it, runs like new (and faster). It's not like I can go out and buy anything as capable and easy to maintain.

it won’t be one by Land Rover though. The mrs’ cousin runs one of the design teams for JLR and he says everyone that knew how to design military vehicles has retired and the expertise is lost. JLR have no interest in military contracts anymore
 

TamH70

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it won’t be one by Land Rover though. The mrs’ cousin runs one of the design teams for JLR and he says everyone that knew how to design military vehicles has retired and the expertise is lost. JLR have no interest in military contracts anymore

Can they not go Down Under and kidnap a few guys that did the Perentie programme, or will they all have aged out as well?
 
Defenders now feel every bit like the vehicle that was well behind the times when it came out two decades ago in it's current guise.

The new Defender is even worse, being a low rent Chelsea tractor manufactored by a company that only shares the badge and none of the engineering pedigree.

On operations, properly protected vehicles are being used and procured, with chassis that don't break under the weight of weapons they were never designed to carry. For GS purposes, much better and cheaper white fleet is in play.

The days of VMs fixing our fleet with nothing but WD40 and black nasty are long gone now vehicles are toppers with complicated electrics.

I'm afraid the 'Landy' is dead. We've moved on and so has LR.
 
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Can they not go Down Under and kidnap a few guys that did the Perentie programme, or will they all have aged out as well?

all gone. All he talks about is ’common architecture’ and ‘standard platform’
 
it won’t be one by Land Rover though. The mrs’ cousin runs one of the design teams for JLR and he says everyone that knew how to design military vehicles has retired and the expertise is lost. JLR have no interest in military contracts anymore
Arguably they haven’t ever built a military vehicle. The original was based off a jeep and all the others were Frankenstein’s monsters of the original. Were any built on first principles as a military vehicle?
 

Cold_Collation

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Or the snorkel strapped to the A frame and roof when the deepest they are likely to ford is a child’s pee puddle in Waitrose’s car park!
Don't.

I used to have to drive to work through Lingfield, near the racecourse. For those who don't know, there's a very small ford in the road nearby. There's also a school where the moneyed can have their little cherubs educated.

The number of time me in my battered Escort had to sit behind some woman in a Range Rover edging nervously through three to four inches of water...
 
Arguably they haven’t ever built a military vehicle. The original was based off a jeep and all the others were Frankenstein’s monsters of the original. Were any built on first principles as a military vehicle?
Wiki confirms it was from 1965, that the Rover company owned ALVIS with its formidable reputation for armoured vehicles.

Somewhat of a surprise, is the lack of cross-pollination, from the unquestionably military ALVIS vehicles, to the "agricultural" Land-Rover that eventually became the Defender.

But, the military were not the only customer for what was to become the Defender. One could understand the succession of various Corporate owners of Land Rover not bothering to meddle with a successful product.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it . . . !!

It is just a shame that the UK doesn't now have a competitive product, in the "light utility vehicle" for the military, but as this thread highlights, there is little agreement of what should be the specification, characteristics, of such a vehicle.
 
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. . . The Brit Army's webpage, does confirm that the Foxhound is - at least - "designed and built in Britain" . . . even if (now) the owner/parent company is General Dynamics.
 

anglo

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Load of spares going here, but not the drivers' door:)

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