Repatriation of War Dead - Brize Norton

#1
It has been reported that the War dead are to be driven out of the back gate and down side roads to avoid the public when repatriations are flown into RAF Brize-Norton.
Andrew Robathan, Minister for Defence Personnel, Welfare and Veterans, admitted that the decision to avoid public scenes of emotion had been taken deliberately. Words fail me.
 

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#2
You don't say? I'm surprised that a website with such a military bent as this one didn't cover the story some days ago when the report first appeared in the Telegraph.

Would the search function be of any use in future do you think?
 
#3
Oh FFS not again

or the benefit of those who may be confused about the repatriation route from RAF Brize Norton
by WILLIAM ALDRIDGE FOUNDATION on Monday, June 27, 2011 at 6:14pm

The choice of gate that will be used for the cortege to exit RAF Brize Norton is a decision for the Ministry of Defence (MoD) – the chosen gate is gate 6 which is on the eastern edge of the station. The reason cited for using this gate were because it is 1) the closest to the purpose built chapel of rest and 2) it causes the least amount of impact on the operational airfield which will, as you will know, be the only AT/AAR base in the UK.



The route was chosen by Oxfordshire County Council (OCC) with subject matter expert guidance from Thames Valley Police (TVP). The chosen route from gate 6 is through the village of Brize Norton, along Carterton Road, Norton Way, Monahan Way, up to the A40 and directly to the JR Hospital. OCC and TVP were tasked with the challenge of identifying the most direct route, without detour, so that the post-mortem can be carried out and the body can be released to the family ASAP, this was requested by the Coroner. Another consideration was that people should be given the opportunity to pay their respects; therefore a special memorial garden will be built with a flagpole that will fly the Union Flag.

This memorial garden will become the focus for repatriations, the family and friends of the fallen will gather there, the cortege will pause and the family will have the opportunity to place flowers on the Hearse. The flag currently flown at Wooten Bassett will be handed over at the memorial garden. It is also worth noting of course that people are free to pay their respect anywhere on the route as they do at present. Wootton Bassett may be the focus but others pay their respects at various other points on the route.



Carterton Town Council was not responsible for choosing the exit gate or deciding on the route. As a community they now have a responsibility to ensure that they do the very best they can for the fallen heroes, their family, friends and colleagues, within the constraints that have been placed upon them, as explained above.

OCC are now coordinating the whole thing and will be involving both parish councils as well as the Royal British Legion.
 
#4
Search function? The old (locked) thread is currently on the front page of the CA Forum; he just needed to scroll down a little. Perhaps a little hasty in the outrage post there?
 
#7
Oh FFS not again

or the benefit of those who may be confused about the repatriation route from RAF Brize Norton
by WILLIAM ALDRIDGE FOUNDATION on Monday, June 27, 2011 at 6:14pm

The choice of gate that will be used for the cortege to exit RAF Brize Norton is a decision for the Ministry of Defence (MoD) – the chosen gate is gate 6 which is on the eastern edge of the station. The reason cited for using this gate were because it is 1) the closest to the purpose built chapel of rest and 2) it causes the least amount of impact on the operational airfield which will, as you will know, be the only AT/AAR base in the UK.



The route was chosen by Oxfordshire County Council (OCC) with subject matter expert guidance from Thames Valley Police (TVP). The chosen route from gate 6 is through the village of Brize Norton, along Carterton Road, Norton Way, Monahan Way, up to the A40 and directly to the JR Hospital. OCC and TVP were tasked with the challenge of identifying the most direct route, without detour, so that the post-mortem can be carried out and the body can be released to the family ASAP, this was requested by the Coroner. Another consideration was that people should be given the opportunity to pay their respects; therefore a special memorial garden will be built with a flagpole that will fly the Union Flag.

This memorial garden will become the focus for repatriations, the family and friends of the fallen will gather there, the cortege will pause and the family will have the opportunity to place flowers on the Hearse. The flag currently flown at Wooten Bassett will be handed over at the memorial garden. It is also worth noting of course that people are free to pay their respect anywhere on the route as they do at present. Wootton Bassett may be the focus but others pay their respects at various other points on the route.



Carterton Town Council was not responsible for choosing the exit gate or deciding on the route. As a community they now have a responsibility to ensure that they do the very best they can for the fallen heroes, their family, friends and colleagues, within the constraints that have been placed upon them, as explained above.

OCC are now coordinating the whole thing and will be involving both parish councils as well as the Royal British Legion.
OK, (someone is clearly having abad time of the month!) I have been away from normal comms for a bit and do not get UK papers here easily. Early on the outrage? Possibly, although reading links to local press it seems that all is not quite as perfect as you are suggesting. See: BRIZE REPATRIATIONS: Flag is focus of memorial design (From Oxford Mail)

At least it appears that the powers that be are providing some consideration, whether it has been fully thought through (Parking, Location, Safety Issues, refreshments, shelter, toilets etc) is still a question. Perhaps the real test will come over time.
 

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#8
daily mail and that man hitchens but who knows middle england might take note

The flag-wrapped coffins of dead servicemen are to be driven out of the back gate of RAF Brize Norton when it takes over from Lyneham (a few weeks from now) as the arrival point for the fallen.

They will then be routed down side roads to avoid nearby Carterton – a town almost exactly the same size as Wootton Bassett – and make their way to the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford along A-roads and bypasses. There’ll be a small guard of honour near the hospital entrance (there already is) but somehow or other the cortege won’t go down any High Streets.
I will tell you in a moment what the official excuses are for this. I should have thought the mere words ‘back gate’ would tell most people all they need to know about this decision.
And despite the Prime Minister’s oily award of the title ‘Royal’ to Wootton Bassett, you can bet that he’d much rather the public scenes of grief and remembrance in that place had never happened, and that nobody noticed the frequent deaths his weakness and political cowardice are causing.
In the same way, the Defence Ministry has almost completely succeeded in covering up the appalling numbers of men who have been gravely injured in Afghanistan because the Government hasn’t the guts to quit this meaningless war. We hardly ever see them. Were they all to be assembled in one photograph, the nation would demand instant withdrawal and probably get it.
The official version is that the families of the dead will be using a new ‘Repatriation Centre’ at Brize Norton, and that it is near the back gate. Routing the hearses through the base might disrupt its normal operations.
And here’s what was said by Andrew Robathan, whose stirring title is ‘Minister for Defence Personnel, Welfare and Veterans’. Speaking to Radio Oxford, he explained: ‘The side gate was seen by the Ministry of Defence and the police as the most appropriate way to take out future corteges.’
I love that word ‘appropriate’, the favourite adjective of those who have quietly forsaken the idea that there are such things as ‘right’ and ‘wrong’.
He continued: ‘I am not sure taking coffins in hearses past schools, past families, past married quarters is necessarily the thing that everybody would wish to see .  .  . the focus must be on the families of the dead service personnel. They are the people who care most. That is where our focus is.’
This is a curious statement. None of us exactly ‘wishes’ to see a funeral going by. But surely death should not be hidden away. And surely it is right that all of us – especially the young and service families – should be reminded of the price of courage and duty, and given the opportunity to salute these fine things.
You can believe the various official excuses. Or you might recall that until (in April 2008) this newspaper highlighted the way the hearses were left to fight their way through indifferent traffic, even cut up by impatient motorists at roundabouts, they did not get a police escort for the final few miles to the hospital.
Mr Cameron says that he will do the talking about war, and the commanders should do the fighting. Well, he may have a point there, or he would if he were not militarily and diplomatically clueless.
But he might also mention that while he is doing the talking, real men are doing the dying, and their families are doing the weeping.
Personally, I don’t think he or his Government colleagues are grown-up enough to pay the price of their own vanity and bombast. So they sneak the dead out by the back gate, and hope it doesn’t get on the TV.
 
#9
This whole thing is nothing more than Attention seeking fuckwits without any connection to the forces, two of who live in the Carterton area, getting outraged about some thing that is none of their ****ing business, one of the gobby cnuts lives in Virginia FFS, but a number of "The Same Old names" are on the members list, the Grief walts, and people who will show their arse in public for five minutes of internet fame, what grabs my shit is the fact that these morons have openly abused members of the families of the dead just because they won't go along with their stupid ideas of what should happen during repatriations,
 
#10
"Who are we to decide the route is wrong? Are we the grieving parents/partners/children of service men and women? I bet most of us are not. Has anyone noticed the families arent arguing it? because they dont care, they just want their fathers/sons/brothers/mothers/daughters/sisters home!

DONT LOOSE SIGHT OF WHAT REPATRIATIONS ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT, THE HEROES, THEIR FAMILIES. NOT ME, NOT YOU, NOT US."

Kimi Hillsden
 
#12
F@ck off I didn't write that it's a quote from Kimi Hillsden
Kimi Hillsdon also says that “Respect can be paid by anyone, anywhere. The roadside, A lay-by, anywhere you may be”.

I think that the essence of this must remain Respect to our Fallen and provided that this is maintained, none of us still serving or the families, friends and colleagues of them will feel slighted. I guess the "outrage" has been sparked by a series of misundestandings that frankly should have been dealt with better by both The RAF and local government. If a clear and unabiguous statement that fully explained the situation and intended plan had been released as soon as it was known (and "they" must have had a bit of idea abouth this some time ago) the whole issue could have been trumpeted as a new and better outcome for all concerned in such a dreadful enterprise.

Separately, it does none of us any good to slag each other off in regard to such a sensitive and important matter, I certainly will retain my personal views of the individuals who have written on here in such a bullish and unpleasant manner. That should be saved for the NAAFI Bar or other threads where we can all give as good as we get.
 
#13
Sick to death of seeing all these grief walts climbing aboard their outrage hearses on the national news.

For 99% of them it's got bugger all to do with the dead service personnel and everything to do with getting their picture in the paper or on telly so they can wallow in chav celebrity on facebook.
 
#14
grief walts ??? we are asked to go there by a committee (CRA) on the next one,, the CRA have been to near everyone of the lads who have come home,, dont put everyone in the same boat plz,,
 
#16
Kimi Hillsdon also says that “Respect can be paid by anyone, anywhere. The roadside, A lay-by, anywhere you may be”.

I think that the essence of this must remain Respect to our Fallen and provided that this is maintained, none of us still serving or the families, friends and colleagues of them will feel slighted. I guess the "outrage" has been sparked by a series of misundestandings that frankly should have been dealt with better by both The RAF and local government. If a clear and unabiguous statement that fully explained the situation and intended plan had been released as soon as it was known (and "they" must have had a bit of idea abouth this some time ago) the whole issue could have been trumpeted as a new and better outcome for all concerned in such a dreadful enterprise.

Separately, it does none of us any good to slag each other off in regard to such a sensitive and important matter, I certainly will retain my personal views of the individuals who have written on here in such a bullish and unpleasant manner. That should be saved for the NAAFI Bar or other threads where we can all give as good as we get.
The whole thing has been treated with respect and thought by the powers that be, only to be ignored, by the fuckwits, reasons have been posted on the Facebook page, only to be immediately removed by the admins, and the admins in this page are the same old faces, the ones who made up the Muslim demo in RWB and other fairy stories, who only get on these band wagons for personal gratification or political reasons, to many EDL/BNP links for my liking
 
#17
From Mrs Aldridge

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=131775826904370

SEPARATE AND DIVIDE TO ACHIEVE YOUR AIMS OF INFAMY...
I have been blocked from the group "Respect for Heroes" for posting one item and one alone - that was the factual information behind the decision for the chosen gate and route for repatriations as stated by the Deputy Mayor of Carterton, who is also currently a serving member of the Armed Forces, based at RAF Brize Norton (he was also blocked from the group for taking the trouble to explain the decision-making involved). Why? .... because the reaction to a media-sparked campaign would hold no water and their argument or ability to achieve their REAL aim would fall apart! The public have been duped! On this occasion, it's not by the Government or the MoD (and you know there are a million policies and decisions made that I actively disagree with) but by a couple of local residents who are seeking infamy for their town in order to receive Wootton Bassett status! Not convinced? Below is a post from one of the local residents of Carterton, and you guessed it...she is an admin on the Respect for Heroes group. But cunningly, this is not posted in the Respect for Heroes group at all - it's posted in another group set up some months earlier, before the sensationalism of newspaper headlines suggesting a "back door" exit for repatriations and before this admin teamed up with the creator of the Respect for Heroes group and the rabble-rousing Jo Cleary, lending the support of her 'charity' and her large but diverse pool of friends. Surely this will now convince even the most scepticle 'doubting thomas' that not all is as it should be and the agenda is not so much about showing respect (couldn't be further from the truth) it's more about gaining infamy! It's important to understand that these people do not represent or reflect the feelings of the entire town of Carterton, many of whom are mortified to find their town is at the centre of a 'row' over the repatriation route - it also doesn't serve to bring together a local community that happens to have an extremely busy, opertaional airbase on their doorstep - making the relationship between the military and the local community more difficult! Far from encouraging support and respect, it is creating a very real and distressing divide!
By: Lucy Riflemum Aldridge
 
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#18
That was a good post there Tropper and you didn't claim in was yours! Must admit, I'm getting sick to death of my facebook account being clogged up with requests to copy and paste this 'outrage' shit...and the other one which asks for support for some US Marines mob nicknamed 'Darkhorse' who have "lost 9 men in the past four days", which has been doing the rounds for the past two years. With an attrition rate of 9:4 over the past two years I reckon that 'Dark Horse' are now down to the MT Sgt and about half a dozen blokes from the Mil Band.

Oh, and let's not forget the "...keep this on your status for 24 hours if you support this, that and the ****ing next thing that someone is dying from."
 
#19
I have been to RWB twice and on both occasions I was invited by the family, but I'm sure the two women screaming the loudest Jo.Jo Cleary and Dee Edwards MBE couldn't find Wooten on a map. they are both nothing but attention seekers who have in the case of Edwards made a life long and quite successful careerer out of it.
 

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