Remembrance Day Stupidity

#1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...tml?in_article_id=492612&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

Ahh, that annual fixture in the national calendar! The respectable and law-abiding are crushed by the wheels of bureauracy, which ignore the feckless and criminal! Here is this year's list of shame from the Daily Mail (where else?):

The List of Shame top three:

1. Hilary Beach of Chepstow. What a clown! Fix bayonets, chaarrge!
2. Castle Bromwich - West Midlands Police. The boys in blue should be persona non grata at parades, receptions and in Legions throughout the West Midlands.
3. Sutton Parks Police Service. Fire them from cannons instead!

War veterans' fury after Remembrance Day services scrapped by health and safety killjoys

A Minister called for war veterans to be honoured with dignity after a string of incidents tarnished the build-up to this year's Remembrance Day.

Armed forces minister Bob Ainsworth spoke out after hearing of various incidents, including one where a mayor wanted a Rifles regiment to march without rifles.

They include:

Sutton, Surrey - A cannon salute in the park has been cancelled on health and safety grounds. The sound, known as a maroon, was used to signal the beginning and end of the two-minute silence.

Chepstow - The mayor Hilary Beach called for a Rifles regiment not to carry their weapons because it might encourage gun crime.

Kidderminster, Worcestershire - collection boxes have been fitted with alarms because so many were stolen last year. West Mercia Police insisted the move was a necessary precaution.

Castle Bromwich, West Midlands - a parade was cancelled because police will be too busy keeping Birmingham City and Aston Villa fans apart.

Parks police in Sutton will not be allowed to fire cannons marking the two-minute silence on Remembrance Day

Mr Ainsworth said: "Remembrance Day is a time for the nation to pay tribute to those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice in the service of their country."

In Castle Bromwich, the decision to cancel the parade because police will be too busy keeping rival football fans apart provoked anger.

British Legion secretary Frances Nicholas said: "Just because people can't behave themselves at a football match, we have to lose out."

In Chepstow, the call to ban rifles was rejected by councillors but Tom King, president of the town's British Legion, said: "The regiment is called the Rifles and rifles are an important part of their uniform and their kit - they would feel naked without them."

In Sutton, the cannon salute had previously been triggered by the Parks Police Service in the borough's two main parks. But these officers have been axed and the replacement service, Safer Parks Teams, which are an arm of the Met, cannot use the cannons on health and safety grounds.

Councillors have reacted angrily to the ban. Councillor Barry Russell said: "I don't know why we are pandering to the health and safety brigade on what is a very important day."

"The cost is absolutely negligible and I know of very few people who wouldn't say that this is the least we can do when you think about the price the servicemen and women paid for us."

"I don't think the fact is widely known yet but when it is there are a lot of people who will be truly incensed. I can understand that the Met are concerned about heath and safety at the moment but this is ridiculous."

He pointed out that a fireworks company offers a remembrance service package for £250.

Imperial fireworks will supply a trained specialist to come to the venue, trigger the devices twice and cover the cost of insurance liability.

In spite of protests, the parks police were axed by the Lib-Dem led council earlier this year as part of a cost-cutting drive.

The two replacement Safer Parks Teams each comprise a sergeant, two PCs and three police community support officers.

A spokeswoman for the Met confirmed they would not be firing the maroons but would not comment further.

Two years ago, war veterans in the seaside town of Walton, Essex, were left fuming after lifeboatmen told them that they would not be able to fire maroons at the beginning and end of the silence on advice from Royal National Lifeboat Institution headquarters.

John Halls, the chairman of the local Royal British Legion, said he was "very sad" that the decades-old tradition had come to an end.

Remembrance Day ceremonies will take place across the country on Sunday, with the National Service of Remembrance being held at the Cenotaph in Whitehall from 10.30am.
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As an afterthought: is this a ruse to give the hapless minister an open goal?
 

old_fat_and_hairy

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#3
MrPVRd said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=492612&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

Ahh, that annual fixture in the national calendar! The respectable and law-abiding are crushed by the wheels of bureauracy, which ignore the feckless and criminal! Here is this year's list of shame from the Daily Mail (where else?):

The List of Shame top three:

1. Hilary Beach of Chepstow. What a clown! Fix bayonets, chaarrge!
2. Castle Bromwich - West Midlands Police. The boys in blue should be persona non grata at parades, receptions and in Legions throughout the West Midlands.
3. Sutton Parks Police Service. Fire them from cannons instead!

War veterans' fury after Remembrance Day services scrapped by health and safety killjoys

A Minister called for war veterans to be honoured with dignity after a string of incidents tarnished the build-up to this year's Remembrance Day.

Armed forces minister Bob Ainsworth spoke out after hearing of various incidents, including one where a mayor wanted a Rifles regiment to march without rifles.

They include:

Sutton, Surrey - A cannon salute in the park has been cancelled on health and safety grounds. The sound, known as a maroon, was used to signal the beginning and end of the two-minute silence.

Chepstow - The mayor Hilary Beach called for a Rifles regiment not to carry their weapons because it might encourage gun crime.
Kidderminster, Worcestershire - collection boxes have been fitted with alarms because so many were stolen last year. West Mercia Police insisted the move was a necessary precaution.

Castle Bromwich, West Midlands - a parade was cancelled because police will be too busy keeping Birmingham City and Aston Villa fans apart.

Parks police in Sutton will not be allowed to fire cannons marking the two-minute silence on Remembrance Day

Mr Ainsworth said: "Remembrance Day is a time for the nation to pay tribute to those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice in the service of their country."

In Castle Bromwich, the decision to cancel the parade because police will be too busy keeping rival football fans apart provoked anger.

British Legion secretary Frances Nicholas said: "Just because people can't behave themselves at a football match, we have to lose out."

In Chepstow, the call to ban rifles was rejected by councillors but Tom King, president of the town's British Legion, said: "The regiment is called the Rifles and rifles are an important part of their uniform and their kit - they would feel naked without them."

In Sutton, the cannon salute had previously been triggered by the Parks Police Service in the borough's two main parks. But these officers have been axed and the replacement service, Safer Parks Teams, which are an arm of the Met, cannot use the cannons on health and safety grounds.
Councillors have reacted angrily to the ban. Councillor Barry Russell said: "I don't know why we are pandering to the health and safety brigade on what is a very important day."

"The cost is absolutely negligible and I know of very few people who wouldn't say that this is the least we can do when you think about the price the servicemen and women paid for us."

"I don't think the fact is widely known yet but when it is there are a lot of people who will be truly incensed. I can understand that the Met are concerned about heath and safety at the moment but this is ridiculous."

He pointed out that a fireworks company offers a remembrance service package for £250.

Imperial fireworks will supply a trained specialist to come to the venue, trigger the devices twice and cover the cost of insurance liability.

In spite of protests, the parks police were axed by the Lib-Dem led council earlier this year as part of a cost-cutting drive.

The two replacement Safer Parks Teams each comprise a sergeant, two PCs and three police community support officers.

A spokeswoman for the Met confirmed they would not be firing the maroons but would not comment further.

Two years ago, war veterans in the seaside town of Walton, Essex, were left fuming after lifeboatmen told them that they would not be able to fire maroons at the beginning and end of the silence on advice from Royal National Lifeboat Institution headquarters.

John Halls, the chairman of the local Royal British Legion, said he was "very sad" that the decades-old tradition had come to an end.

Remembrance Day ceremonies will take place across the country on Sunday, with the National Service of Remembrance being held at the Cenotaph in Whitehall from 10.30am.
As an afterthought: is this a ruse to give the hapless minister an open goal?[/quote]


This is so bloody typical, yet thick headed. Since when has an army regiment carrying weapons been likely to inspire gun crime? How many Riflemen fire their weapon sideways whilst wearing gold necklaces?

As for the Parks police being replaced by a 'Safer Parks' project; well, that just says it all. It ranks alongside all the skate boarding BMx riding gimmicks that the Metropolitan Police, Drama and Socially Inclusive Depating society.
 

Bowmore_Assassin

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#4
Ranting begin. For F*CKS SAKE.

These people are idiots - what the f*ck is going on in this country ? And people ask me why I want to emigrate when my military career is over ? Easy answer there:

- This country is run by idiots who perpetuate more useless fu*kwits at lower levels
- The Government steal our hard-earned cash and call it tax
- They give said money to tossers who are idle, don't deserve it or protest against democracy
- Immigration policy is sh*te
- They don't budget enough to maintain H M Forces and more importantly look after (generic) us and our families properly when we go on ops and get wounded or killed. Oh and they show us fu*k all respect.
- Many other reasons but I won't bang on anymore.

Nice to see a Minister responding to such attitudes but he should be a bit more blunt in his use of language and rip them a new ar*sehole.

I am fu*king furious. Rant over.
 
#5
You're right Soldier-Poet. Britain, and especially England, has become the dustbin of Europe with more chav, scally, freeloading, windowlicking, illiterate yobs per square metre than any third rate southern hemisphere nation on the earth. No wonder so many are leaving the army and emigrating to Europe.
 
#7
Mongoose said:
Stupid bitch.
Sums it it up beautifully. :roll:

Hardly anyone seem to give a f*ck about the sacrifices made on our behalf anymore, except those who were there, the relatives left behind, or serving and ex-serving who have an understanding of what it's all about. I despair at the attitudes of many in this country now days.
 
#10
Rifles parading may encourage gun crime? I would have thought parading with shovels would be more of a worry? 8)

What - a - silly - sad - stupid - woman...
 
#11
Tom King, president of the town's British Legion, said: "The regiment is called the Rifles and rifles are an important part of their uniform and their kit - they would feel naked without them."
I've suddenly noticed how naked I feel!
 
#12
I really do despair, there was once a day (or so I'm told,) when Brits were world leaders in common sense, railways and tea consumption. Now we lack in all three. To borrow from my DS, this country needs to "man up" a bit, and have a good think about what we are remembering-we're at war now just as in other decades, and we didn't see this kind of bloody nonsense back then (again, so I'm told!)

Disgusted of Rant-on-Farthing

Dudders
 
#13
Blyth_spirit said:
Tom King, president of the town's British Legion, said: "The regiment is called the Rifles and rifles are an important part of their uniform and their kit - they would feel naked without them."
I've suddenly noticed how naked I feel!
Erm...that's because you are sir. Do you think you could possibly dress away from the web-cam now and pop this blanket around you? Thanks...
 
#14
It almost makes me want to go out & purchase a cannon myself, go to the park & fire it at the appropriate time & if anyone should try to stop me I should be obliged to call them a c&nt in a very loud voice & possibly slap them.

As for the rifles marching without rifles, who's going to stop them? If I were commanding the parade I'd still do it & b*ll*cks to the consequences! Though perhaps that may be career suicide, it would get press attention for a worthy cause wouldn't it?

I remain &tc,

~Vesper
 
#15
I will probably get jumped on but the answer to me is to bring back National Service. Yes I know it would be expensive and create problems but IMHO the good would outweigh the bad in terms of sorting out todays youth who will be tomorows elders. It would give them a sense of belonging and direction. An Israeli cannot play football for his country until he has done his National Service. Nationally they may be cr@p at kicking a bag of air about on a football pitch and may or maybe not be good soldiers but generally do not have the social problems UK has............ Sightly off thread I know but do you think if the stupid bitch mentioned above or any of the other fückwits served in the forces we wolud have had this problem?
 
#16
Not sure if this is allowed, so I'll apologise to the mods in advance just in case, but for anyone wishing to contact Chepstow Town Council and share their views about the good lady's actions, here's the contact details.




Cllr Ms Hilary Beach - Cobwebs, Belle Vue Place, Steep Street, Chepstow NP16 5PS Tel: 01291 627125 DEPUTY TOWN MAYOR


Contact Chepstow Town Council at :-
The Town Council Offices
The Gatehouse,
High Street,
Chepstow
NP16 5LH

Office open Monday to Friday from 9.00am to 1.30pm.
The Town Clerk, Sandra Bushell, can be contacted by
telephone on 01291 626370 or fax 01291 628102
during these hours or by email at
clerk@chepstow.co.uk.
 
#17
Depends what the criteria for National Service would be, I'm 23 & want to concentrate on a career. Though I've done 5 years as a weekend warrior, I wouldn't want to do service full time now I have myself sorted. But for the unemployed & out of college perhaps it's a good idea? The question is; would the Army want to inherit the states problem? How would the media & populace react to a pressed mortality in Iraq/Afghanistan?

IMHO I wouldn’t mind shipping them all off to Afghanistan & making it a penal colony. Then in a few generations it may turn out like Australia & we can have an economic trading partner in central Asia. Unfortunately it’s not the 18thC anymore!


I remain &tc,

~Vesper
 
#18
In Sutton, the cannon salute had previously been triggered by the Parks Police Service in the borough's two main parks. But these officers have been axed and the replacement service, Safer Parks Teams, which are an arm of the Met, cannot use the cannons on health and safety grounds.
What utter bo!!ocks. This is another case of H&S being used as the scapegoat. Of course they can use the cannons if trained properly. Presumably whoever axed the Parks Police Service did this on grounds of cost? Presumably if they'd stopped to think and actually make some sort of plan for Remembrance Day it might have occurred to someone that it wasn't all that hard to make sure that a few personnel from the replacement "Safer Parks Teams" were trained to use this equipment safely?

So this is down to penny-pinchers, failure to plan and a failure to do a perfectly reasonable assessment of what was needed to carry on as normal - i.e. a bit of training.

This makes me fecking cross because saying "health and safety grounds" in this case is just hiding the fact that they really mean "we are a bunch of penny-pinching morons who don't know the first thing about H&S but we'll use it as an excuse to deflect criticism from us"

/rant
 
#19
At the risk of sounding like some sort of liberal homo, why do we want to parade with rifles anyway?

The blokes have to get up half an hour earlier. They are heavy and inconvenient. They are not exactly integral to the parade, people are always marching about without rifles. Someone might lose one.

Not sure about encouraging gun crime though. Is there much gang violence in Chepstow?
 
#20
I said it would create problems but eventually drastic action will have to be taken if the UK is to survive in any meaningful way. I was alluding to the work shy, the feckless, and yes immigrants who are not contributing to the system but would make it compulsary for most at some stage between the age of 18 and 25 which would allow most to complete Uni/apprentiship. Some exceptions should be made, eg., service in police, fire service, merchant marine, cadets, nursing...... [These people tend not to create problems anyway]
Just my opinion of course.

Edied to add..... Ref the National Service post
 

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