REME Being Absorbed into RLC to Form CSS Corps

#1
I'm hearing rumours of REME being absorbed into the RLC to form a CSS Corps, do you think this is long overdue, a bad idea or who gives a toss. Personally for me it can't come quick enough but what are your thoughts?
 
#2
I know, lets just have "The Forces", where the Flying Corps get their own cap badge, as do the Sea Corps and the Land Corps... in fact fuckit. We'll let the other departments join too. Police, fire and medic corps. We could also let people in suits join. How about the Banking Corps and the Asda Corps...
 
#3
i get a feeling judging by your previous posts you do not like the REME care to ellaberate on this or are you just scorn cnut spitting out his dummy

AJ-W
 
#4
:evil: Already happening look at 19 css bn!

The top brASS have already merged infantry without giving much of a toss about their identity and history so this wouldnt suprise me .

Hope it doesnt happen the army is strapped for manpower already and the shortage of reme this would cause wouldnt be funny! :twisted:
 
#5
Is this the second longest running rumour in the Army?

The longest of course has to go to that bus load of nurses that are coming to a do near you - incidentally where is the bus at the moment?

I can't see it happening in the near future (either the merger or the bus turning up for that matter).
 
#7
what the nurse bus isnt true but there is 1 coming round the corner this weekend i heard it myself

well thats my weekend ruined

AJ-W
 
#8
Unlucky_Alf said:
Is this the second longest running rumour in the Army?

The longest of course has to go to that bus load of nurses that are coming to a do near you - incidentally where is the bus at the moment?

I can't see it happening in the near future (either the merger or the bus turning up for that matter).
The nurses all have blue rinses and surgical stockings now,they turn up for bingo teas,our Vicar just ordered a bus load for next thursday :wink:
 
#9
No mate, it must be true this time - no smoke without fire and all that. Sadly the nurses may be knocking on a bit now and will probably be quite tired after such a long bus ride.




Edited to add: Slow typing should have appeared one post up if I could press keys quickly enough.
 
#10
Gungythree said:
Unlucky_Alf said:
Is this the second longest running rumour in the Army?

The longest of course has to go to that bus load of nurses that are coming to a do near you - incidentally where is the bus at the moment?

I can't see it happening in the near future (either the merger or the bus turning up for that matter).
The nurses all have blue rinses and surgical stockings now,they turn up for bingo teas,our Vicar just ordered a bus load for next thursday :wink:
Do they actually turn up though? In my experience either they don't bother to cancel or they turn up long after I have gone home. To be honest I've stopped bothering to invite them anymore.
 
#12
I would imagine that REME officer's would be only too happy for it to happen. After all, despite the fact that we like to slag them, there are a lot of smart men and women out there. If we amalgamate then there would be a lot more units needing commanders and, no disrespect to the RLC officer's, think they would do very well on any board.

I wouldn't want it but I can't really say why, guess its just Corps loyalty. Would it really affect us that much? Kit would still need fixing, stores still need demanding, what benefits would there be? Lose 1x high level desk officer at records? Anything else?
 
#13
Would you want to wear that fcuking RLC capbadge?
 
#14
sparky8 said:
I would imagine that REME officer's would be only too happy for it to happen. After all, despite the fact that we like to slag them, there are a lot of smart men and women out there. If we amalgamate then there would be a lot more units needing commanders and, no disrespect to the RLC officer's, think they would do very well on any board.

I wouldn't want it but I can't really say why, guess its just Corps loyalty. Would it really affect us that much? Kit would still need fixing, stores still need demanding, what benefits would there be? Lose 1x high level desk officer at records? Anything else?
Sparky,

I agree, I haven't really thought too much ref the pros and cons but something tells me it's a bad idea. I think it's a mixture of Corps loyalty and a natural aversion to change that is inherent in most of us.

I certainly hadn't considered the ramifications of command boards and appointments. I wonder what the reaction to that would be if this was posted in the RLC forum? Out of interest does anyone out there know what happened when the RLC was formed - did one of the pre-existing cap badges dominate at these boards?
 
#15
sparky8 said:
I would imagine that REME officer's would be only too happy for it to happen. After all, despite the fact that we like to slag them, there are a lot of smart men and women out there. If we amalgamate then there would be a lot more units needing commanders and, no disrespect to the RLC officer's, think they would do very well on any board.

I wouldn't want it but I can't really say why, guess its just Corps loyalty. Would it really affect us that much? Kit would still need fixing, stores still need demanding, what benefits would there be? Lose 1x high level desk officer at records? Anything else?
All of the REME would all have to buy RLC stable belts (which are only available in XL, XXL, XXXL and Port Op sizes).
 
#16
It shouldn't happen for one reason alone......I hate thick mongs. They're RLC for.....not REME.....because they're thick *******.

I wouldn't want to try and hold a conversation with one of those muppets, I'd be bored within 5 minutes, and the RLC mong's eyes would glaze over as soon as a word with more than 2 syllables was spoken.




This is of course meant in jest
 
#17
c'mon the rlc do very important jobs i mean making sure everything goes where it should and when it should it cant be easy

AJ-W
 
#18
Having watched the slow train crash that is the RLC, I think you need to be very careful about how such mergers operate in the logistic world...

What seems to have happened is that by taking a technically specialist corps such as RAOC and merging it with a non specialist corps such as RCT leads to the following:

1. A rapid breakdown of technical support functions by de-militarisation or contractorisation. Technical specialists leave in the first wave and are re-employed as civvies/serpents. On the second wave these get replaced by Kevins...

2. The Regimentalisation and "dumbing down" of the remaining military functions, usually accompanied by cries of "Soldier First" etc. The Officer Corps of the non-spec corps, who being much better versed in back stabbing and greasy pole climbing than their more specialised (and busier) brethren, assume control of the new grouping on the basis of only needing "generalist" officers. Suggestion that specialist functions can be met by SNCO SMEs.

3. Some epic "management" decisons leading to a loss of core technical skills and chronic shortages in key trades. (Yes.. how does driving a fuel tanker qualify you to do quality testing of aircraft fuel exactly?) And how, now as you have effectively flogged off all your base depots, do you train your junior specialists?

4. Terrified G4 staff put into jobs they have no understanding of, playing staff BINGO with meaningless reports and returns...

So, my little REME friends, be very careful what you wish for...
 
#19
I think most REME here would rather masturbate with sandpaper then be merged with the RLC.
 

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#20
HE117 said:
Having watched the slow train crash that is the RLC, I think you need to be very careful about how such mergers operate in the logistic world...

What seems to have happened is that by taking a technically specialist corps such as RAOC and merging it with a non specialist corps such as RCT leads to the following:

1. A rapid breakdown of technical support functions by de-militarisation or contractorisation. Technical specialists leave in the first wave and are re-employed as civvies/serpents. On the second wave these get replaced by Kevins...

2. The Regimentalisation and "dumbing down" of the remaining military functions, usually accompanied by cries of "Soldier First" etc. The Officer Corps of the non-spec corps, who being much better versed in back stabbing and greasy pole climbing than their more specialised (and busier) brethren, assume control of the new grouping on the basis of only needing "generalist" officers. Suggestion that specialist functions can be met by SNCO SMEs.

3. Some epic "management" decisons leading to a loss of core technical skills and chronic shortages in key trades. (Yes.. how does driving a fuel tanker qualify you to do quality testing of aircraft fuel exactly?) And how, now as you have effectively flogged off all your base depots, do you train your junior specialists?

4. Terrified G4 staff put into jobs they have no understanding of, playing staff BINGO with meaningless reports and returns...

So, my little REME friends, be very careful what you wish for...
HE117, I concur with much of what you say. If a may add a comment or two ?

1. "...de-militarisation or contractorisation." The effect you stated is spot on, but IMHO, much of this occurred as a result of 'management' decisions to cut costs, rationalise and become lean and all the other good managment shouts from civvie street, and not because the RLC wanted to do it. This may have been all well-intended but the effect was not good, primarilly because many of those implementing decisions did not understand what they were talking about and were blinded by management guru speak and ridiculously expensive consultants.

2. The 'Regimentalisation' of other functions was probably necessary to pull a disparate new Corps togther. I agree the divide between specialist and generalist was divisive and whilst I feel we are nearer some kind of compromise I don't think we really have this as a closed issue. More room for improvement ? Yes.

3. Ref 'epic management decisions...', no argument from me.

4. Agreed, highly underqualified G4/J4 staff (not their fault) who then fail to convince G3-5/J3-5 staff of the cogency of their argument in terms of log sp to warfighting/operational COAs. Not helped by the even worse option of Joint officers from other Services playing in the land ops sphere. Arrrggh !

So, RLC/REME brethren - how do you think a merger would go ? Will it improve CSS or confuse the issue ? For what is worth, I think the current situation works well - everyone understands the hand-off between maintenance and ES versus sustainment and logistics. If they do not, they are idiots. The REME do very well post Regtl Command in both Joint log jobs, Army CSS posts and Bde Command selections, as do RLC Officers, so what are the benefits of merging ? None that I can see, but then I am biased !
 

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