Reloaded 17 Hornet vs 17 HMR Ammo cost

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  1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.17_Hornet

    Trying to work out what the cost of reloading 17 Hornet vs buying 17HMR ammo
    Not bought any reloading components recently, so would appreciate comments on my assumptions

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    [TD="width: 170, bgcolor: transparent"]17 Hornet
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    [TD="width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]Price £
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    [TD="width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]Quantity
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    [TD="width: 104, bgcolor: transparent"]£ Per shot
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Powder
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: right"]40
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: right"]1lb/7000gr
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    [TD="class: xl63, bgcolor: transparent"]0.07
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Primers
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: right"]40
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: right"]1000
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    [TD="class: xl63, bgcolor: transparent"]0.04
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Cases (assume 5 x use)
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: right"]30
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: right"]100
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    [TD="class: xl63, bgcolor: transparent"]0.06
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]bullets - complete guess
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: right"]15
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent, align: right"]100
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    [TD="class: xl63, bgcolor: transparent"]0.15
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    I know this doesnt account for the cost of dies etc and indeed the ability to reliably get the components, but unless my price assumptions are wildly out, looks like 17 Hornet is pretty good value for money especially as you are getting another 1000 fps.
     
  2. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    Yes, if you discount the reloading equipment completely apart from the dies (buy the best) you obviously win, bullet supply is/can be a problem as can case life in some cartridges but if you already reload it isnt a drama.
    I can recommend if you dont reload just bie the dies and find a friend with decent electronic scales, find a load that replicates your favourite factory load and stockpile both!
    Buy your friend plenty to drink but dont let them start drinking until you have finished reloading and tidied up!
    Where abouts in the country are you? If near a friendly arrsser who reloads then get stuck in.
     
  3. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    17Hmr I get for about £14 for 50 and empty cases in .22 Hornet are less than 20 pence each its up to you. I do enjoy reloading, its very theraputic.

    I also sell myself powder and stuff fairly cheaply as I'm a dodgy geezer (RFD)!
     
  4. I have the Sako Quad with .22 LR, .22 WMR and .17HMR barrels. I also have a 10/22 T which is an absolute tack driver both sub and supersonic.

    Seriously thinking of selling Quad and barrels to fund a 17 Hornet - won't have the 22WMR / 17HMR dilema over fox e.g. accuracy vs extra knock down (under 100yds).

    Guess I'll have to see how the 17 takes off over here - I understand Savage (imported by Viking?) are the only factory bolt option at the moment.

    Assume (if not available already) will be able to get dies that neck down / adjust shoulder on 22 hornet case...have to look when I get home as firearm porn banned at work the cnuts...
     
  5. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    Hornady make them, RCBS do but their web shop is down at the moment, I'd buy direct from them and pay the taxes, be quicker and cheaper. You may be able to get a good firm to ream one of the quad barrels if thats cheaper!
     
  6. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    Oh Viking are very good, I have an account with them so may be able to get you a discount. let me know and I will ask. Also Savage were sold through Garlands and they had a fair bit of stock left. I was told by Garlands that it was Edgar Brothers importing the Savage which meant I couldnt order new as I dont trade from a shop! Be good news if it is Viking!
     
  7. thanks for the offer...I may well take you up on it. My cabinet definately needs some 'rationalisation'

    Would not swear it was Viking but sure I read that somewhre
     
  8. I was thinking about that...Llija make custom quad barrels.
    Question is though would the Quad Receiver cope with the extra pressure? Also would need a custom Quad Bolt head to deal with different case head dimension and convert pin to strike centre rather than rim

    It would be great if could re-chamber....

    Pick up a good 2nd hand hornet (Krico on Guntrader for £250) and get it rebarrled inclu cost of 17 reamers would be probably best way to go
     
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  9. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    Makes sense, pressure isnt much, lots of older .22rf Martinis were converted to CF for Hornet.
     
  10. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    If the pressure is a none starter there are plenty of .22 Hornets in Holts Sealed Bid sale, so its a simpler rebarrel. You can cheat, get an airgun barrel and have it chambered but whether or not it passes proof is your risk!
     
  11. Have given my self a stern talking to about the dangers of shiny new kit syndrome.
    Actually the better comparison for me personally anyway, is to compare costs 17 Hornet against the 223/5.56.

    I think I can probably load 223 more cheaply than the 17 Hornet (can offset the 2x powder cost by amount saved on cases - I have stacks of good quality 223 brass which cost me nothing - enough to last me a lifetime even if I allocate half to the Whisper).
    I also have authority to acquire a 223 upper to fit on the Whisper (when I can afford it) - I'm with the Met and I'm hearing some horror stories about renewal/variation turn around times at the moment.

    I'll probalby go through the same exercise when they come out with the next depleted geranium tactical varmint incinerator used by 'them' for pest control.
     
  12. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    Pity as I am jumping up and down about the contents of Holts at the moment but so many toys so little money!
    You shouldnt ccompare it to .223 as its not even a single use round, comparing it to a Hornet or 5.6 by 57 or R would be a better bet.
     
  13. Not sure I understand your point " shouldnt ccompare it to .223 as its not even a single use round..."
     
  14. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    The Hornet doesnt have any target use, its a small game round, the .223 has a fairly good choice of bullet weights, can be a 3500 fps barrel burner in 55 grain or a long range target on 90 gn vld.
    Its a lot more versatile so no comparisom really.
     
  15. Thanks for the explanation...