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#1
is there a limit to how PC we can get???

On the grapevine, i've heard that the government were planning on changing the National Anthem from "God save the Queen" to "Jerusalem", because it could be offensive to people who dont believe in God.

And locally, a 10 year old got suspended from school for writing "God save the Queen" in a book, because there were non-Christians in the school. Also, the churches around my area were told by the local government to consider how many images of Jesus Christ they had in their churches, as it might offend non-believers.

Surely the 10 year old is allowed freedom of expression, and non-Christians may not go into a Christian church anyway???

I'm just curious. I just think the political correctness can be a bit extreme at times.

Anyone have a view on this?

Clarkey
 
#2
Well Jeruslam would get my vote god save the queen is a dirge .The rest sounds like daily mail pc gone mad rant any evidence .
 

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#3
Oh aye. Jerusalem will really get this nation called Britain pulling together, I don't think. :x

Once again little Engerlanders think that the national anthem only applies to Engerland. Tw@ts. There are very few churches in Scotland where you will hear Jerusalem being sung on a regular basis.

Jesus walking on England's green and pleasant shore - really :roll:

As to the comments that non-Christians are not allowed into churches, what bollox, everyone is and should be welcomed into churches, provided they show the same respect as they would expect in their own place of worship.

I hope the Churches spoken to by the local councils gave a mataphorical two fingers to the people who raised this.

PC thinking has gone mad in this country and if councils start to say 'you might offend someone' then just ask them to supply proof that this is so, otherwise - feck off cooncilor.
 
#4
i agree Auld-Yin

theres nothing wrong with Jerusalem being sung as a patriotic song in England. in fact im all for it.
however i am always a little fuked off when English songs are used to represent Great Britain. we are 4 kingdoms for christs sake. get a grip :twisted:

im British and proud of it. It is far more important to me to be a Brit than it is to be Anglo/Irish. however my family is Irish and i am proud of that heritage as well.

i do not believe i would ever have joined an English Army but i am a British infantry soldier. this means i accept i will if necessary risk my life for my country when called upon to do so.My loyalty is to Britain not just England.

as for God being banned what a load of shite. most religions have a god and even atheists have to agree without one they wouldnt have an ethical standpoint.
 
#5
What four kingdoms?

England, Scotland = kingdoms

Wales = principality

NI = province.

C
 
#7
civvy said:
What four kingdoms?

England, Scotland = kingdoms

Wales = principality

NI = province.

C
Just to be pedantic, there’s “Kingdom of Fife”!!!! So that makes it at least 3 :lol: :lol:
 
#8
To get it right,

all four together are The United Kingdom (singular) of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

C
 
#9
fusilier50 said:
ieven atheists have to agree without one they wouldnt have an ethical standpoint.
Utter bollox! Notwithstanding the fact that ethics are relative in any society, there are millions of people in this world who have managed their ethics just fine without the influence of any anthropomorphic omnipotent sky god.

Evolutionary studies have also suggested that altruism is a selected characteristic with regards to natural selection.

You can keep your supernatural super-hero who believes in punishing all non-believers, I'll stick to believing in the intrinsic social nature of mankind.
 
#10
Soldier_Why said:
fusilier50 said:
ieven atheists have to agree without one they wouldnt have an ethical standpoint.
Utter bollox! Notwithstanding the fact that ethics are relative in any society, there are millions of people in this world who have managed their ethics just fine without the influence of any anthropomorphic omnipotent sky god.

Evolutionary studies have also suggested that altruism is a selected characteristic with regards to natural selection.

You can keep your supernatural super-hero who believes in punishing all non-believers, I'll stick to believing in the intrinsic social nature of mankind.
It's Sunday morning, I have a hangover that would kill a civie, and your really not helping 8O 8O
 
#11
I hope this applies to muslims as well meaning they can no longer have arabic text everywhere as people could find it offensive. This is utter shite, when will this fcuking political corectness stop!
 
#12
Soldier_Why said:
fusilier50 said:
ieven atheists have to agree without one they wouldnt have an ethical standpoint.
Utter bollox! Notwithstanding the fact that ethics are relative in any society, there are millions of people in this world who have managed their ethics just fine without the influence of any anthropomorphic omnipotent sky god.

Evolutionary studies have also suggested that altruism is a selected characteristic with regards to natural selection.

You can keep your supernatural super-hero who believes in punishing all non-believers, I'll stick to believing in the intrinsic social nature of mankind.
Seconded.... I have been a humanist for a number of years now. I positivley resent the way religion is forced upon people in thier everyday lives. I,ve no issue with people who activley follow a religion its thier life & I,ve no right to interfere. So why do these people feel they have the right to interfere in mine ?. I,m getting along just fine without a god & my kids are being bought up with a damm sight better morals than most kids in thier school. Its all just personal choice at the end of the day & people must learn to respect that.

Regards LT.
 
#15
public_service said:
is there a limit to how PC we can get???

On the grapevine, i've heard that the government were planning on changing the National Anthem from "God save the Queen" to "Jerusalem", because it could be offensive to people who dont believe in God...
Quality! :lol: :lol: :lol:

William Blake said:
And did those feet in ancient times
Walk upon England's mountain green?
And was the holy Lamb of God...
I take it you are a Muslim mate, if you dont know any of the words of one of the most popular Christian hymns? Although the title "Jerusalem" might have been a bit of a giveaway. Maybe you hoped it was pro-Hamas?

BOLLOX
 
#16
My old parent regiment has two religious mottos on its capbadge "Inveritate Religionis Confido" and "Nisi Dominus Frustra" (also the motto of the City of Edinburgh where the regiment was formed in 1689).
The badge also incorporates St Andrews Cross (as will the new RRS badge) so do the capbadges of the Royal Scots and Black Watch. I'm surprised the faceless superannuated marxist-leninists who dream up PC rules didn't attempt to change them. But then again they did... the 1st, 25th and 42nd are to be extinguished!

The KOSB has its own Regimental Kirk complete with elders, they still "Put their faith in the truth of their religion."
Hopefully 1SCOTS (Royal Scots Borderers) will, as "He who builds without the Lord buildeth in vain."
 
#17
public_service said:
On the grapevine, I've heard that the government were planning on changing the National Anthem from "God save the Queen" to "Jerusalem", because it could be offensive to people who don't believe in God.
I rather doubt that, given that Jerusalem is a far more religious song than God Save the Queen. Personally I would quite like to See Jerusalem adopted as the English national anthem.

public_service said:
And locally, a 10 year old got suspended from school for writing "God save the Queen" in a book, because there were non-Christians in the school.
Again I rather doubt that that is the whole story. Defacing a book is certainly something a school would wish to punish, but you would have to be a damned sight more offensive than that to get suspended.

Fusilier50, belief in God presents more problems for forming an ethical theory than it solves.
 
#18
public_service said:
On the grapevine, I've heard that the government were planning on changing the National Anthem from "God save the Queen" to "Jerusalem", because it could be offensive to people who don't believe in God.
Utter pish. This urban myth seems to come around every couple of months now, just like banning Xmas decorations etc etc.

public_service said:
...a 10 year old got suspended from school for writing "God save the Queen" in a book, because there were non-Christians in the school.
Also utter pish. Why would a non-Christian be offended by a reference to God? Surely Christians, Jews and Mohammedans/Muslims all believe in the same God. The only religion that would be offended by God is he Satanists. And they've always got rock music to fall back on anyway!
 
#19
No, I'm a Christian. All I'm saying is what I've heard. No need to start ripping into me for it. All i was saying was that i dont think they should change the National Anthem.
 
#20
public_service said:
No, I'm a Christian. All I'm saying is what I've heard. No need to start ripping into me for it. All i was saying was that i dont think they should change the National Anthem.
If Herren-Bloke were to be 'un-banned', at least there'd be a point in arguing. Whatever happened to Chrisjohn316? I mean really... :roll:
 

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