Religion and Terrorism

#1
Antonio Salas a Spanish undercover reporter who infiltrated an Islamic terrorist organisation, and liased with Carlos the Jackal said this about teh link betwen religion and terrorism

"I did not know anything about Islam before starting this investigation. I believed all the clichés and prejudices that are published daily in the West. But as I got deeper into Islam and integrated myself in their mosques, I discovered that all these prejudices are false, and part of hidden agendas. Identifying Islam with terrorism, just because blaspheming fools kill with the Koran in their hands, is as unfair as to identify Christianity with terrorism, because members of the IRA, the KKK, and white militias, kill, rape or rob in the name of the Bible."

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Having spent some time in Venuezuela terrorist camp. He had also said that Hugo Chavez openly harbours terrorists.

Any thoughts or views on this?
 
#2
The extremist's have really read the book's.... [video=youtube;DjfCWy6dmco]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjfCWy6dmco&feature=related[/video]
 
#5

THESE ARE INSTRUCTIONS HANDED OUT TO ALL OFFICERS AT C.I.D COURSES AND ANTI-TERRORISTS COURSES IN THE BEDFORDSHIRE FORCE/SERVICE

UK’s Bedfordshire Police’s rules regarding terrorists and dangerous criminals


If they’re non-Muslim

• Consider the most opportune time of day to be able to arrest suspects with minimum resistance
• Apply all necessary force to enter the premises and arrest suspects accordingly.


If they’re Muslim:

• Community leaders must be consulted before raids into Muslim houses.
• Officers must not search occupied bedrooms and bathrooms before dawn.
• Use of police dogs will be considered serious desecration of the premises.
• Cameras and camcorders should not be used in case of capturing women in inappropriate dress.
• If people are praying at home officers should stand aside and not disrupt the prayer.
They should be allowed the opportunity to finish.
• Officers should take their shoes off before raiding a Muslim house.
• The reasons for pre-dawn raids on Muslim houses needs to be clear and transparent.
• Officers must not touch holy books or religious artefacts without permission.
• Muslim prisoners should be allowed to take additional clothing to the station.

I reckon this country now has 'No Hope' or 'Bob Hope'.
 
#6

THESE ARE INSTRUCTIONS HANDED OUT TO ALL OFFICERS AT C.I.D COURSES AND ANTI-TERRORISTS COURSES IN THE BEDFORDSHIRE FORCE/SERVICE

UK’s Bedfordshire Police’s rules regarding terrorists and dangerous criminals


If they’re non-Muslim

• Consider the most opportune time of day to be able to arrest suspects with minimum resistance
• Apply all necessary force to enter the premises and arrest suspects accordingly.


If they’re Muslim:

• Community leaders must be consulted before raids into Muslim houses.
• Officers must not search occupied bedrooms and bathrooms before dawn.
• Use of police dogs will be considered serious desecration of the premises.
• Cameras and camcorders should not be used in case of capturing women in inappropriate dress.
• If people are praying at home officers should stand aside and not disrupt the prayer.
They should be allowed the opportunity to finish.
• Officers should take their shoes off before raiding a Muslim house.
• The reasons for pre-dawn raids on Muslim houses needs to be clear and transparent.
• Officers must not touch holy books or religious artefacts without permission.
• Muslim prisoners should be allowed to take additional clothing to the station.

I reckon this country now has 'No Hope' or 'Bob Hope'.
As much as I'd loved to be OUTRAGED some more with the police who I have not a lot of time for, please provide evidence for the above.
 
#9
"You are clearly a neo-Blairite-Brownian lackey with pretensions to the Cameronian neo-Trotskyist clique, you socialist, and will ruin this one-great Christian nation with your sexual proclivities."

(I saved lsquared the trouble of his next post, there!)
 
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But applied to anyone, not just Muslims. Also, I can't see coppers on anti-terror raids messing around like this.
Did you read the answer to the FOI in your link?

The same level of etiquette and respect should be observed in Muslim households as in a Muslim place of worship, such as a Mosque.Female officers must be available wherever practicable to deal with females and there should not be any cross gender contact by the officers.


Muslim prisoners should be allowed to take additional clothing to the station. All clothing needs to remain pure for prayer and the denial of appropriate clothing will be a very serious issue for the individual.


If possible, officers should not take shoes into the houses, especially in areas that might be kept pure for prayer purposes - nor should they step on any prayer mats etc. This might be difficult in some cases but needs to be seriously considered - plastic overshoes may be an option in some cases if the cleanliness/ purity of the overshoes can be maintained.


Non-Muslims are not allowed to touch Holy Books, Qurans, or religious artefacts without permission. In the current climate the justification for pre-dawn raids on Muslim houses needs to be clear and transparent.
Nothing in there about bibles, skull caps, pentagrams etc just advice on how not to upset muslims.

Not saying the don't have guidelines for dealing with other faiths just that saying that the original post was at least based on the facts.
 
#17
"Identifying Islam with terrorism, just because blaspheming fools kill with the Koran in their hands, is as unfair as to identify Christianity with terrorism, because members of the IRA, the KKK, and white militias, kill, rape or rob in the name of the Bible."

Having spent some time in Venuezuela terrorist camp. He had also said that Hugo Chavez openly harbours terrorists.

Any thoughts or views on this?
Religion was hardly a motivating ideological factor for the Provos, though they certainly gave lip-service to the Catholic Church when it suited them. Fundamentally however, Sinn Féin/PIRA were and are a Marxist group.

It is interesting how those who address the 'terrorism and religion' issue like to equate Islamist terrorism (which is unapologetic about its religious motivations and intentions) with organisations to whom the 'religious terrorist' tag is less easy to apply (and whose own actions pale into insignificance next to the present shower of jihadists). Perhaps this is indicative of a unwillingness to cite Islam as a particular motivating factor for terrorists, and lump it in with a vaguely-defined 'Christianity' in a bid to advocate an anti-religious secularism as the solution to all our woes.

I am of course shocked beyond belief to learn that St. Hugo of Chavez harbours terrorists....
 
#18
When all is said and done, and most of us have been, ALL religion is terrorism as each threatens us with hell fire and damnation if we dont obey the cannon laws and outlandish rules, so in the words of the ancient sage Reggie Confushus, **** em all.
 
#19
His views are selective. Islam is not a pacifist faith. Nor is terrorism, or indiscrimi9nate warfare, banned by the Koran. Last I checked even if a Muslim leaved the Islamic faith for either another faith or atheism they must be executed. That's not 'blasphemy', it's an obligation of Muslims to carry out the killing.
 
#20
His views are selective. Islam is not a pacifist faith. Nor is terrorism, or indiscrimi9nate warfare, banned by the Koran. Last I checked even if a Muslim leaved the Islamic faith for either another faith or atheism they must be executed. That's not 'blasphemy', it's an obligation of Muslims to carry out the killing.
Technically, the bible also demands the same thing.
 

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