Release Tommy Robinson

Flippant, and on a par really.
You said ‘we must also look at.... alongside ....’ which implies that you think that it isn’t. The truth is that it is being looked at by many people. Unfortunately there aren’t any quick and simple solutions at this point to stop it happening, though there should have been measures put in place years ago to try to prevent it. The sad part of this is that how we care for vulnerable children has to be considered alongside the criminal acts of the perpetrators of any colour/creed.

Children have been institutionally abused for centuries, as one group of abusers are caught, others spring up. The church has form for this, workhouses prior to that, feudal landlords prior to that. This isn’t even currently a problem solely associated with brown people. The common denominator is vulnerable children who have no blame attached to themselves re this.
 
Oh I see, you can say what you want but I have to stick to the appropriate threads, nothing like setting the terms of a debate and then claiming ownership of that thread is there.
And please don't imagine that you are in a position to tell me to do anything...you pompous prat.
I'm certainly in a position to tell you something, you're derailing the thread about 'ero Tommy. Deliberately IMO.

On pomposity you really need to look in the mirror, having already accused me of looking down on the uneducated plebs for no reason, failed to respond to my comment that I am one of the uneducated plebs, accused me of unjustified intellectual arrogance with cock all attempt to supply evidence and accused me of diverting the thread when it's demonstrably yourself, diverting away from dear old Tommy and dropping into ad homs "because."

Your comments about uneducated plebs say more about you than about me as do your other comments and your consistent diverting the thread onto a topic which already has a huge thread dedicated to it.

I know of non Muslim taxi drivers who considered "a quick ride" as fair payment and who didn't question age too much. Asking if this was maybe a bit immoral, the immediate response from all in the club was to question my sexuality. Plod, builders, the unemployed, teachers and business owners all had the same attitude.

I come from the same place in society as the victims and perpetrators of the crimes, sink estates and long term unemployment. I'm very much aware that but for the grace of God or luck, whatever, I'd still be on one with feck all hope. Chest thumping gobshites who in all other circumstances blame the victims but suddenly develop empathy for the people they'd normally mock and castigate for their circumstances don't register on my give a fuckometer.

With all due respect, blow it our your arse.
 
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Real Nazis you say, Ok so tell me where the real Nazis are then, if you are anti-fascist like you say then surely you must know. Where there any at the al-Quds march?

My grandad (RA), He hated communism just as much as he did socialism. "a bunch of takers". He was proud and believed in his country which made him nationalist.
He didn't say much about the fighting, apart from the places he went, He didn't say anything about the jews during that time period (the war), You should wonder why as It's plainly obvious to our family. A walking advert for things you cannot un-see.

Are you under 30 by chance?

What on Earth are you talking about?


I’m anti-Fascist so I must have detailed files on what, every Fascist in the world or just the British ones?

You’re anti-Muslim rapist. So am I.


I seem to have misplaced my big thick ring binder with all their fucking names and addresses could you email me a PDF of yours mate?
 
My oh my, Graculus and Psychobabble, two clowns and only one joke between them.
 
I come from the same place in society as the victims and perpetrators of the crimes, sink estates and long term unemployment.[/QU
So that gives you a special insight then, give me a minute whilst I extract the silver spoon from my jacksy before engaging in a poverty porn punch-up to see who had the most deprived, and therefore, most relevant upbringing.
 
I didn't realise that I am alt-right!! whatever that is.
Pretty poor attempt at a displacement argument, first make vulnerable children into young women and then a suggestion that if we as a society had not made them vulnerable then it wouldn't have happened.
Would you agree that alongside the problem of vulnerability we must also look at why industrial scale abuse sprang up in multiple locations, in the same time frame, by the same demographic ? They are linked and should be tackled together.
As 'displacement arguments' go...

Thread title: Release Tommy Robinson!

Question: why?

Answer: 'cos ee's an 'ero wot got these fahrsands of Moslem rapists banged up and all ee woz doin' woz free speech like'*

Followed by 2,000 pages of refuting every premise stated here, or asking for them to be substantiated. Well, about 1 page of reasonable discussion per 10 pages of rants.
As far as I recall: no such evidence has been forthcoming.

Key points: all rape is bad. All CSE is bad. Our 'ero has done the square root of fück all to help and was banged up for breaking the conditions of his suspended sentence.

This is the topic of this thread and anything else is displacement, is it not?

Whist grooming vulnerable girls AND young women is - according to the limited data we have - an MO favoured by Asian/Moslem men, these 52 cases of grooming gangs represented some 2% of the actual number of CSE cases for the single year of data. There is no data for the ethnic breakdown for the other 2000+ cases.

So, forgive me for being unfashionably numerate but 2% of all CSE cases does not warrant the use of 'industrial' as an adjective. Secondly - in the absence of any other data it is (from an epidemiological point of view) inappropriate to talk about 'the same time frame'. When you've only got a single years' data this must inevitably be so.



* I'm a cockney so this is NOT cultural appropriation...
 
So, forgive me for being unfashionably numerate
Not sure that you are, 2% of cases does not mean that the number of victims makes up 2%, we can then go further by extrapolating the instances of CSE cases as expressed in terms of the frequency per demographic. Raw data makes good soundbites but poor arguments. 85% of gang-based grooming offences are committed by 7% of the population, submerging that fact in a larger number of different patterns of offending will not make it go away.
 
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Answer: 'cos ee's an 'ero wot got these fahrsands of Moslem rapists banged up and all ee woz doin' woz free speech like'*
I have never referred to TR as an 'ero, I think he should be listened to....that's all, you don't have to believe a word he says but there is no future in shooting messengers even if you consider the message shite.
 
As 'displacement arguments' go...

Thread title: Release Tommy Robinson!

Question: why?

Answer: 'cos ee's an 'ero wot got these fahrsands of Moslem rapists banged up and all ee woz doin' woz free speech like'*

Followed by 2,000 pages of refuting every premise stated here, or asking for them to be substantiated. Well, about 1 page of reasonable discussion per 10 pages of rants.
As far as I recall: no such evidence has been forthcoming.

Key points: all rape is bad. All CSE is bad. Our 'ero has done the square root of fück all to help and was banged up for breaking the conditions of his suspended sentence.

This is the topic of this thread and anything else is displacement, is it not?

Whist grooming vulnerable girls AND young women is - according to the limited data we have - an MO favoured by Asian/Moslem men, these 52 cases of grooming gangs represented some 2% of the actual number of CSE cases for the single year of data. There is no data for the ethnic breakdown for the other 2000+ cases.

So, forgive me for being unfashionably numerate but 2% of all CSE cases does not warrant the use of 'industrial' as an adjective. Secondly - in the absence of any other data it is (from an epidemiological point of view) inappropriate to talk about 'the same time frame'. When you've only got a single years' data this must inevitably be so.



* I'm a cockney so this is NOT cultural appropriation...
I mostly agree except it’s the cube root.
 
Chest thumping gobshites
Most of these seem to come from the same background as your good self, it must have been hard having the only copy of the Guardian down't pit.
 
This is the topic of this thread and anything else is displacement, is it not?
TR is a twat . There, I have agreed with you. No further discussion required, I will voluntarily no-platform myself and you and Gracs can carry on with your mutual masturbation unhindered.
 
Not sure that you are, 2% of cases does not mean that the number of victims makes up 2%, we can then go further by extrapolating the instances of CSE cases as expressed in terms of the frequency per demographic. Raw data makes good soundbites but poor arguments. 85% of gang-based grooming offences are committed by 7% of the population, submerging that fact in a larger number of different patterns of offending will not make it go away.
FFS

"Raw data makes good sound bites but poor arguments"

If that isn't a 'sound bite'...

It's also rubbish, certainly in this context.

The point of me quoting that data is to refute your use of an emotive adjective: "industrial scale". Which it does. The only data anybody has provided on this thread does NOT support that.

And cherry picking other bits of it doesn't help you either.

Yes, apparently 85% of one particular MO was done by one group (according to one of the sources; in the other the number's a bit lower) but as any epidemiologist will tell you, it's the denominator that matters. In this case 52 out of 2100.

Nobody has tried to 'submerge' anything, and indeed I originally said that doubtless the police etc will now be picking up on this MO.

But, and back to the original thread, by focusing on 'brown' abusers and ignoring white ones, it's our 'ero who is trying to use this as fuel for his own XRW platform.
 
at 3 AFA we had 'the phantom Bob caller' for some reason a driver/rad op who I will not reveal the name of ("spider" Webb) used to randomly send 'BOB' over the net. Our RSI was going spare trying to work out who it was, he had charts up on who'd been on which exercise, and who had good comms.. he was closing in on spider, so on an exercise that spider was absent from, err, someone was asked to do a couple of 'bobs' to confuse the issue.

we also had Papa Kilo Oscar (put kettle on) or sometimes used as address group 'PKON' (put kettle on now)
And that's how Enigma was broken...
 

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Separately, I see that the Veterans Against Terrorism FB page has been infiltrated by a Leftie and sell known Arrser. And causing some upset...
Hello Bryan :)
 

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A brief précis for us none Facebook types if you please?
A Naval and Air attache type based in Ankara, let's call him Bryan, has been giving the benefit of his wisdom to those wishing all stay safe in London today for the UK Unity and Freedom march which is taking place around Middayish. Th e fact that there is a massive Eid celebration (only a week later than the rest of the country) is taking place at the other end of Whitehall seems to have escaped him. London could be a tad edgy today.
 
Yes, apparently 85% of one particular MO was done by one group (according to one of the sources; in the other the number's a bit lower) but as any epidemiologist will tell you, it's the denominator that matters. In this case 52 out of 2100.[/QUOTE
Honest question, are we talking about 52 cases or 52 individuals?
 

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