Reid attacks unfit department

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5007148.stm

Home Secretary John Reid has damned the immigration system as "not fit for purpose" with "inadequate" leadership, management systems and processes.
He made the assessment as he was grilled by MPs about a series of recent scandals at the Home Office.

"I share with you and probably also the public the frustration at our failures," he said.

He said that jobs could still go after 1,019 foreign prisoners were released without deportation being considered.
 
#2
I'm probably swimming against the flow here but I quite like Reid and think he would have been a good Defence Minister if he had been allowed to stay at it. Certainly the best of a bad lot.

Awaiting incoming.
 
#3
Birdie_Numnums said:
I'm probably swimming against the flow here but I quite like Reid and think he would have been a good Defence Minister if he had been allowed to stay at it. Certainly the best of a bad lot.

Awaiting incoming.
He talks a good fight. Just have to see what he can pull off at Home Office. Pity the fcukwits before him didn't do anything.
 
#4
PartTimePongo said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5007148.stm

Home Secretary John Reid has damned the immigration system as "not fit for purpose" with "inadequate" leadership, management systems and processes.
He made the assessment as he was grilled by MPs about a series of recent scandals at the Home Office.

"I share with you and probably also the public the frustration at our failures," he said.

He said that jobs could still go after 1,019 foreign prisoners were released without deportation being considered.

It is nice to know that someone who as taken over the home office is at last sorting things out he did a excellant job with the defence
 
#5
Is this a cleverly disguised stab at his predeccessors in order to get the first blow in, before they start mouthing off about Tony and his 'sofa' style of government? :roll:
 
#6
Agent_Smith said:
Is this a cleverly disguised stab at his predeccessors in order to get the first blow in, before they start mouthing off about Tony and his 'sofa' style of government? :roll:
Or preparing for a leadership bid???
 
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#7
JR for PM

He was the only member of Armed Forces Special Interest Group that came to NI in 1990 that appeared to show any interest at all.
 
#9
ViroBono said:
Reid attacks 'unfit' department
Shame he didn't do it at MOD...
True but towards the end of his short stint he was at least talking up the virtues of the British soldier publically, something most of his predecessors never bothered to do. Perhaps this one instance of leadership shocked me into a warm glow?
 

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#10
Birdie_Numnums said:
I'm probably swimming against the flow here but I quite like Reid and think he would have been a good Defence Minister if he had been allowed to stay at it. Certainly the best of a bad lot.

Awaiting incoming.
Standing in file behind B_N on this one. Thought he had the making of a pretty good Sec of State for Defence. Why does the PM insist on playing musical chairs with Ministers so often? They barely have time to settle in and get a grasp of the Depts they're supposed be running when they're whisked off to another post. A bit like some staff officers I've known :D .
 
#11
RP578 said:
Birdie_Numnums said:
I'm probably swimming against the flow here but I quite like Reid and think he would have been a good Defence Minister if he had been allowed to stay at it. Certainly the best of a bad lot.

Awaiting incoming.
Standing in file behind B_N on this one. Thought he had the making of a pretty good Sec of State for Defence. Why does the PM insist on playing musical chairs with Ministers so often? They barely have time to settle in and get a grasp of the Depts they're supposed be running when they're whisked off to another post. A bit like some staff officers I've known :D .
To be fair, this Government has not gone in for the musical chairs of previous governments. Some departments in this Government have been fairly stable. The reason that Ministers are switched around is to give them the experience; we are talking about ex-social workers, journalists and the like, and they need the experience!

I have always thought of John Reid as a hatchet man, the type you send in when there is dirty work to be done, which is why I was puzzled at his move to Defence. However, I was actually warming to him as SofS - I thought he was a lot better than Hoon, and I was looking forward to him engaging with the Treasury. I cannot yet comment on Des Browne but he has, so far, made the right noises.

Interesting times lay ahead!

Litotes
 
#12
This attack. Was a full-blooded frontal charge with bayonets attached?

Or was it just a minor private b0ll0cking to senior staff for letting down the New Labour vision. Followed by a carefully crafted set of words for the general public that make it look more than it was?
 
#13
PartTimePongo said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5007148.stm

Home Secretary John Reid has damned the immigration system as "not fit for purpose" with "inadequate" leadership, management systems and processes.
He made the assessment as he was grilled by MPs about a series of recent scandals at the Home Office.

"I share with you and probably also the public the frustration at our failures," he said.

He said that jobs could still go after 1,019 foreign prisoners were released without deportation being considered.
Sorry but the Head Pr 1 ck got shunted sideways instead of an inteview without coffee, this allows him and his followers the chance to stuff up yet another department.

Not a dynamic opening gambit in my view
 
#14
Nick Robinson's blog on the BBC news site has this right, I think. It's the Sybil Fawlty defence: "Oooh, I knoo-o-ow." That's the cry he can bring out now whenever anyone points out that the Home Office is falling to bits.

sm.
 
#15
Speaks well
“It's inadequate in terms of its scope, it's inadequate in terms of its information technology, leadership, management systems and processes [on his governments immigration department]” - John Reid
 
#16
OldRedCap said:
Speaks well
“It's inadequate in terms of its scope, it's inadequate in terms of its information technology, leadership, management systems and processes [on his governments immigration department]” - John Reid
Sounds a lot like MOD - Except that Ccok-ups at MOD don't impact joe public in the same way as the current Home Office nonsense. The stuff covered by Dispatches last night makes a programme but does not have the impact of a story involving illegal immigrants, rapists and murderers. Politicians only react when they think the story line in the media is strong enough.

Heaven forfend, but things will not change in MOD till we get a serious kicking somewhere.
 
#17
Reid has no choice but to admit that the whole department is a shambles - and the inference is how lucky the public are now that he's come riding in to sort it out. He couldn't exactly go on defending it until blue in the face like Clarke did before him. So Blair decided it was time for a bit of 'honesty' and a change of tack. This new spin on things will have come from the top. Now it's up to Reid to get the window dressing in place, put up some nice clean curtains, and distract the press enough to make them move on to their next sales opportunity.
 
#18
Well i am sure it will be an uphill struggle to clean up the Home Office, where grey faceless pen pushers sit about generating a lot of paper work and spend a lot of money and still they have no clue about how many foreign criminals there are, or the illegal imigrants, and those who decide not to change anything "as we have always done it this way" etc
There is a lot to clean up in the Home Office and Blair has called his "fireman" in again! Dr Reid is probably the only Labour Cabinet member that could do it, pity he was not given a longer run as Defence Minister.
 
#19
Labours unpublished Policy to to allow immigration, in order to change the UK voter pattern.
Labour detest the Old Brit System of a unpolitical civil service, it worked for them when the where out of power but now they are not happy with a system that does not suck up to them.
Ried is an old unrepentant Socialist the polite word for Communist.
He will use and abuse the system as he sees fit.
Talk is cheap for Politcians action is exspensive in monetary and practical terms.
Sacking civil servants, now there is an intresting Idea.
He bumped the gums now lets all see, Sack Civil Servents and Deportation of Offenders, I doubt we will see more then a few Serious Offenders offered up and they will be protected by The Inhuman Rights OrganisationS.
John
Sacking civil servants ! just picking mi self up off the floor.
 
#20
It tells the country that this Labour, and the last Conservative administration, have made a very big mess of things.Unfortunately Tony Blair followed Thatcher's ideas and now he is reaping the backlash.
 

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