Regular army reaching full strength

#3
Which proves the point that we are a maintenance plan, not an insurance policy.

And is, perhaps, the most depressing thought I have had in a rather long time.

msr
 
#4
As I sit here idling away the time that I ought to be using for sleeping, my mind wanders to the meaning of it all - I mean, is there any future now? The TA has gone, in all but name, and thats about to go too. The remnants of the old guard are now implicated in reaping the new from the young and unaware who are merely targetted on being trained and then deployed.

How long before the RTCs assume even more importance and trainees are held in holding Battalions prior to mobilisation? On return they then just enter a FORM cycle which would explain the Training in the COE paper....thus no Officers required.

Should I go to bed?
 
#5
Don't count on it msr, how many will actually get past Phase 2 :?

There will always be a need for the TA.
 
#6
If this does not weigh heavy on a number of minds, I do not know what else does.

As I stumble off to bed, past my boots, windproof smock hanging on the wall (from 1991), an old desert shirt in the wash pile and other detritus from 20 years on and off in the TA...

I wonder the same thoughts.

msr
 
#8
heidtheba said:
Don't count on it msr, how many will actually get past Phase 2 :?

There will always be a need for the TA.
Don't count on it.

function(Reserve) is not in Excel.
 
#9
1. Today's bone but not Wah question; what is the current "full strength" of the Regular Army meant to be?

2. From article: David Hollas, commander of recruitment in the East of England, said: 'It made us very busy over Christmas. Unfortunately many who showed an interest were unsuitable: either too lazy, too unfit or with a bad attitude.' I think that describes me to a fault, yet they let me serve for 32 years...
 
#10
106,000?

30,000 regular reserve (= about 26 blokes)

34,000 TA of which 4,000 are OTC and about 30% of the remainder are in training.
 
#13
I take your points about this having a negative impact on the TA, but I will point out that we now have a major bulge in the Army and this will cause its own problems!

1. The recruiting organisation is flat out. It is pulling in experienced soldiers from the Field Force to cope with the bulge. That leaves gaps in the ORBAT that can best (only?) be filled by the TA.

2. For some time, the training organisation has been filling its administrative posts with TA soldiers. They are doing a good job and don't suffer the churn that the Regulars do (from op tours and for career reasons). That will continue.

3. The bulge will take a long time to hit the Field Army. Even a basic infantry soldier needs time in the training organisation to pick up the skills he needs. Some of the Sapper, R Sigs and REME courses take much, much longer.

4. Most of the soldiers joining now (in the bulge) will be gone in 4 year's time. The great majority of soldiers only serve four years anyway, and as the economy picks up and they realise that their promotion prospects are reduced by the very same bulge, they will sign off.

Don't panic; take the long view. This is only a sign of the times and a symptom of the wider malaise within the economy.

Litotes
 
#14
Fallschirmjager said:
Regular army reaching full strength
Must just be my Bn at 75-80% strength then!
Just lower your standards like everyone else then.
 
#15
polar69 said:
MrTracey said:
106,000?

30,000 regular reserve (= about 26 blokes)

34,000 TA of which 4,000 are OTC and about 30% of the remainder are in training.
and 40 % on the biff express
Last brief we got from the GCS 14% of the army is undeployable due to biffness.
 
#16
stacker1 said:
polar69 said:
MrTracey said:
106,000?

30,000 regular reserve (= about 26 blokes)

34,000 TA of which 4,000 are OTC and about 30% of the remainder are in training.
and 40 % on the biff express
Last brief we got from the GCS 14% of the army is undeployable due to biffness.
IIRC, at the time of Telic 1, my unit managed to achieve a figure of 21% undeployable (but not just for sick chits)!

Perhaps that is the only reason they sent me! :roll:

Litotes
 
#17
As mentioned above... the moment that the Armed Forces loses its "appeal", or civvie strasse perks up again, the majority of the "joiners" at the moment will FO.

Of course by that time the MoD will have axed the TA, and had some sort of SDR style culling of anyone they think should go.... which will then leave the army short on experience and dedicated soldiers when the fickle PO.
 
#19
Litotes said:
I take your points about this having a negative impact on the TA, but I will point out that we now have a major bulge in the Army and this will cause its own problems!

1. The recruiting organisation is flat out. It is pulling in experienced soldiers from the Field Force to cope with the bulge. That leaves gaps in the ORBAT that can best (only?) be filled by the TA.

2. For some time, the training organisation has been filling its administrative posts with TA soldiers. They are doing a good job and don't suffer the churn that the Regulars do (from op tours and for career reasons). That will continue.

3. The bulge will take a long time to hit the Field Army. Even a basic infantry soldier needs time in the training organisation to pick up the skills he needs. Some of the Sapper, R Sigs and REME courses take much, much longer.

4. Most of the soldiers joining now (in the bulge) will be gone in 4 year's time. The great majority of soldiers only serve four years anyway, and as the economy picks up and they realise that their promotion prospects are reduced by the very same bulge, they will sign off.

Don't panic; take the long view. This is only a sign of the times and a symptom of the wider malaise within the economy.

Litotes
Huzzah!!
 

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