Regimental Numbers

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  1. When did the current format of Regimental Numbers begin?

    I know they are exclusive to the individual but at what number did they start?

    For example if your number was, for arguments sake 24462619, that surely does not make that individual the 24,462,619th person to have served in the Army does it?
     
  2. msr

    msr LE

    Those are the old ones. The new one start with a 3 and come from JPA.

    msr
     
  3. Army Numbers - Other Ranks present system started in 1950:

    A Rough Guide - 1950 to date

    Army Number Date of Issue

    22000000 to 22199408 Until October 1950
    22199409 to 22460786 Until February 1951
    22460787 to 22562759 Until July 1951
    22562760 to 23052500 Until June 1955
    23052501 to 23188252 Until October 1955
    23188253 to 23479123 Until May 1956
    23479124 to 23845071 Until October 1960
    The final intake of National Servicemen was on 31st December 1960. The last National Servicemen left the Army in 1963 with 23819209 Private Fred Turner, of The Army Catering Corps, attached 13th/18th The Royal Hussars, being the final conscript discharged on 7th May 1963.
    23845072 to 23969619 Until April 1964
    23969620 to 24033484 Until October 1964
    24033485 to 24057159 Until April 1965
    24057160 to 24076468 Until December 1966
    24076469 to 24182226 Until April 1969
    24182227 to 24262662 Until September 1971
    24262663 to 24302033 Until September 1972
    24302034 to 24315610 Until January 1973
    24315611 to 24322198 Until February 1973
    24322199 to 24355527 Until August 1974
    24355528 to 24369281 Until September 1975
    24369282 to 24475540 Until May 1978
    24475541 to 24520161 Until March 1979
    24520162 to 24579860 Until August 1980
    24579861 to 24587118 Until March 1981
    24587119 to 24753060 Until December 1985
    24753061 to 24854044 Until November 1988
    24854045 to 25012465 Until January 1992
    25012466 to 25027818 Until July 1993
    25027819 to 25065603 Until July 1997
    25065604 to 25130600 Until February 2001
    25130601 to 25136865 Until August 2001
    25136866 to 25139703 August 2001
    25139704 to 252xxxxx to March 2007

    From Apr 2007 new tri service all ranks system thanks to JPA starting at 30000001
     
  4. Cheers SB. By my reckoning thats 3.2 million soldiers between 1950 and 2007!

    Any idea who got 30000001?
     
  5. Not wishing to be pedantic, but are they, begining or end of the month?
     
  6. As someone with a "2417----" number, where did I figure in the grand scheme of things? Or was I just dreaming? (1970) :?
     
  7. There'll be a little 'wiggle' room in those dates as numbers used to be allocated to the individual Manning and Records Offices in blocks.

    Thus a lower number may post date a higher number.
     
  8. I have always wondered if there was ever anybody with the number 00001 using the old system can anybody elaborate on this
     
  9. Sorry mate - I had 24235237 and got mine in Dec 72 :D

    Pendantic head off :roll:
     
  10. Think the 8-figure GS number system was introduced in 1943/44, & did start with 1******* but no idea which units these numbers were issued to. Prior to that the Army had a 7-figure system, of which the first 3 numbers denoted a particular Regiment/Corps. My old man had a Sherwood Foresters number (joined in 1941) but I can't remember what it was now; he retained it on transfer to Royal Signals due to medical downgrading in 1942. I'm sure someone on here can provide a linky to what the old Regimental numbering system was. The GS system which we're all familiar with was probably devised as a security measure; if a squaddie with a little background knowledge could figure out what Regiment a bloke had joined from seeing the first 3 digits of his number, then the enemy could too. The GS system made this more secure.
    Anorak off now.....
     
  11. 249xxxxx in Jan 96... although as already said they were probably set aside OCdt numbers.
     
  12. Probably less zeros, but on the basis that my Great Great Grandfather's Regimental Number (not Service) Number was 14, I'm sure someone had "1"!
     
  13. That's right. I joined in Dec '83 with 2468****, passed out in Mar '84, swaggered off to my first Unit later that year as happy as punch. Months later (as late as '85 IIRC) FNGs arrived who had been through Junior Leaders and 'boasting' 2463****. It was a big thing for a 17 year old, I was crest fallen!
     
  14. msr

    msr LE

    I knew a fellow whose number was EC54. Stood for 'Emergency Commission' - into the Indian Army

    msr
     
  15. There were 3 old numbering systems in use prior to 1950.

    First, prior to 1920 each regiment had its own system of regimental numbers (each starting at 1). If a soldier transferred to another regiment he got a new number.

    The second system was introduced in 1920 under army order 388 with each regiment allocated its own block of numbers:

    Royal Army Service Corps 1 - 294000 and 10660001 - 11000000
    The Life Guards 294001 - 304000
    Royal Horse Guards 304001 - 309000
    Cavalry of the Line 309001 - 721000 (Inclusive 558471 to 558761 allocated to the Royal Armoured Corps extraordinary to the block of numbers later allocated)
    Royal Artillery (Field, Coastal & Anti-Aircraft) 721001 - 1842000 and 11000001 - 11500000
    Royal Engineers 1842001 - 2303000
    Royal Corps of Signals 2303001 - 2604000
    Grenadier Guards 2604001 - 2646000
    Coldstream Guards 2646001 - 2688000
    Scots Guards 2688001 - 2714000
    Irish Guards 2714001 - 2730000
    Welsh Guards 2730001 - 2744000
    Black Watch (The Royal Highland Regiment) 2744001 - 2809000
    Seaforth Highlanders 2809001 - 2865000
    Gordon Highlanders 2865001 - 2921000
    Cameron Highlanders 2921001 - 2966000
    Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 2966001 - 3044000
    Royal Scots 3044001 - 3122000
    Royal Scots Fusiliers 3122001 - 3178000
    The King's Own Scottish Borderers 3178001 - 3233000
    Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) 3233001 - 3299000
    Highland Light Infantry 3299001 - 3377000
    East Lancashire Regiment 3377001 - 3433000
    Lancashire Fusiliers 3433001 - 3511000
    Manchester Regiment 3511001 - 3589000
    Border Regiment 3589001 - 3644000
    The Prince of Wales' Volunteers 3644001 - 3701000
    The King's Own Royal Regiment 3701001 - 3757000
    The King's Regiment 3757001 - 3846000
    The Loyal Regiment 3846001 - 3902000
    South Wales Borderers 3902001 - 3947000
    Welch Regiment 3947001 - 4025000
    The King's Shropshire Light Infantry 4025001 - 4070000
    Monmouthshire Regiment 4070001 - 4103000
    Herefordshire Regiment 4103001 - 4114000
    Cheshire Regiment 4114001 - 4178000
    Royal Welch Fusiliers 4178001 - 4256000
    Royal Northumberland Fusiliers 4256001 - 4334000
    East Yorkshire Regiment 4334001 - 4379000
    The Green Howards 4379001 - 4435000
    Durham Light Infantry 4435001 - 4523000
    West Yorkshire Regiment 4523001 - 4601000
    The Duke of Wellington's Regiment (The West Riding) 4601001 - 4680000
    The King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 4680001 - 4736000
    York & Lancaster Regiment 4736001 - 4792000
    Lincolnshire Regiment 4792001 - 4848000
    Leicestershire Regiment 4848001 - 4904000
    South Staffordshire Regiment 4904001 - 4960000
    Sherwood Foresters 4960001 - 5038000
    North Staffordshire Regiment 5038001 - 5094000
    Royal Warwickshire Regiment 5094001 - 5172000
    Gloucestershire Regiment 5172001 - 5239000
    Worcestershire Regiment 5239001 - 5328000
    Royal Berkshire Regiment 5328001 - 5373000
    Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry 5373001 - 5429000
    The Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry 5429001 - 5485000
    Hampshire Regiment 5485001 - 5562000
    Wiltshire Regiment 5562001 - 5608000
    Devonshire Regiment 5608001 - 5662000
    Somerset Light Infantry 5662001 - 5718000
    Dorsetshire Regiment 5718001 - 5763000
    Royal Norfolk Regiment 5763001 - 5819000
    Suffolk Regiment 5819001 - 5875000
    Northhamptonshire Regiment 5875001 - 5931000
    Cambridgeshire Regiment 5931001 - 5942000
    Bedfordshire & Hertfordshire Regiment 5942001 - 5998000
    Essex Regiment 5998001 - 6076000
    The Queen's Royal Regiment 6076001 - 6132000
    East Surrey Regiment 6132001 - 6188000
    Middlesex Regiment 6188001 - 6278000
    The Buffs (East Kent Regiment) 6278001 - 6334000
    Royal West Kent Regiment 6334001 - 6390000
    Royal Sussex Regiment 6390001 - 6446000
    Royal Fusiliers 6446001 - 6515000
    The Inns of Court Regiment 6802501 - 6814000
    Honourable Artillery Company (Infantry) 6825001 - 6837000
    The King's Royal Rifle Corps 6837001 - 6905000
    The Rifle Brigade 6905001 - 6972000
    Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 6972001 - 7006000
    Royal Ulster Rifles 7006001 - 7040000
    Royal Irish Fusiliers 7040001 - 7075000
    Royal Dublin Fusiliers 7075001 - 7109000 (Disbanded 1922)
    Royal Irish Regiment 7109001 - 7143000
    Connaught Rangers 7143001 - 7177000 (Disbanded 1922)
    Leinster Regiment 7177001 - 7211000 (Disbanded 1922)
    Royal Munster Fusiliers 7211001 - 7245000 (Disbanded 1922)
    Royal Army Medical Corps 7245001 - 7536000
    (Royal) Army Dental Corps 7536001 - 7539000 and 10510001 - 10530000
    Royal Guernsey Militia and Royal Alderney Artillery Militia 7539001 - 7560000 (Discontinued in 1929)
    Royal Militia of the Island of Jersey 7560001 - 7574000 (Discontinued in 1929)
    Royal Army Ordnance Corps 7574001 - 7657000 and 10530001 - 10600000.
    (Royal) Army Pay Corps 7657001 - 7681000 and 10400001 - 10500000. (Locally enlisted staff Middle East 10500001 - 10508000)
    (Royal) Military Police 7681001 - 7717000
    Military Provost Staff Corps 7717001 - 7718800
    Small Arms School Corps 7718801 - 7720400
    (Royal) Army Education Corps 7720401 - 7732400
    Band of the Royal Military College 7732401 - 7733000
    Corps of Military Accountants 7733001 - 7757000 (Disbanded 1925)
    Royal Army Veterinary Corps 7757001 - 7807000
    Machine Gun Corps 7807001 - 7868000 (Disbanded 1922)
    Royal Tank Regiment 7868001 - 7891868
    Royal Armoured Corps 7891869 - 8230000 also 558471 - 558761
    Militia 10000000 - 10350000 (Army Numbers were allocated in accordance with Regulations for the Militia [Other than the Supplementary Reserve], 1939, paras. 11-13)
    Intelligence Corps 10350001 - 10400000
    Reconnaissance Corps 10600001 - 10630000
    Army Catering Corps 10630001 - 10655000
    Army Physical Training (Staff) Corps 10655001 - 10660000
    (Royal) Pioneer Corps 13000001 - 14000000
    The Lowland Regiment 14000001 - 14002500
    The Highland Regiment 14002501 - 14005000
    General Service Corps 14200001 - 15000000
    Indian local enlistments 15000001 - 15005000
    Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers 16000001 - 16100000
    Non-Combatant Corps 97000001 - 97100000
    Auxiliary Territorial Service W/1 - W/500,000
    Voluntary Aid Detachments W/500001 - W/1000000

    Every serving soldier was allocated a new number in this system and the soldier then kept this number for the rest of his army career. Thus 4611078 Pte Mitchell enlisted in The Duke of Wellington's Regiment but later transferred to the ASC and kept the number.

    The third system was introduced during WW2. Large numbers of men were being conscripted and sent to a central depot where they had their medicals and were allocated a number BEFORE being posted to a regiment. It was too much of an admin cluster for the central depots to administer the old regimental numbers so a single system of army (as opposed to regimental) numbers was introduced in 1941. These numbers were allocated in blocks in the 14xxxxxx, 16xxxxxx and 19xxxxxx series. It was this process that was rationalised into the 1950-2007 numbering system.

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