Refusal of Promotion

#1
looking for advice,

I have just been posted into a new job as a Cpl, a job i have been aiming for for a couple of years.
The job will provide me with amazing technical skill and qualifications in the cyber security field, that will both aid me as a tradesman but also massively increase my job options if and when i decide to leave, as well as a decent home/work life balance.

But i have been "fortunate" enough to be selected for promotion to Sgt. The issue is there is no PID for a Sgt doing the same job.
so i am highly likely to be posted to a "similar" role but not one that will provide the same training and qualification opportunities, and there is always the risk Glasgow will just send me anywhere.

I have completed just over 8 years service and at the moment do not see myself completing the full 22.

should i turn down the promotion to stay in this job so i can gain qualifications and experience in this field (cyber), that will set me well for civvie street as well as put be in great standing for supervisor selection. or take the promotion and risk not enjoying the job that gets offered to me.

Also what effect will this have on my career? or attitude towards me?
 
#2
I think I understand your issue. Look after number 1 first. You could speak to your Sqn/sub unit 2IC to ask what APC could do for you. I’ve done this before and it’s a complete waste of time. What you’re weighing up is the value of these courses over promotion and pension. As R Sigs doesn’t give two hoots about you, or spending money on qualifications for you I’d chin the promotion off. On the other side, you are where you are and that could mean something in the jobs market, also there are other specialist units that invest in there soldiers, no guarantees of getting there though. If you chin the promotion off you might cause some admin for your CoC but in turn you’re offering continuity.
 

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#3
looking for advice,

I have just been posted into a new job as a Cpl, a job i have been aiming for for a couple of years.
The job will provide me with amazing technical skill and qualifications in the cyber security field, that will both aid me as a tradesman but also massively increase my job options if and when i decide to leave, as well as a decent home/work life balance.

But i have been "fortunate" enough to be selected for promotion to Sgt. The issue is there is no PID for a Sgt doing the same job.
so i am highly likely to be posted to a "similar" role but not one that will provide the same training and qualification opportunities, and there is always the risk Glasgow will just send me anywhere.

I have completed just over 8 years service and at the moment do not see myself completing the full 22.

should i turn down the promotion to stay in this job so i can gain qualifications and experience in this field (cyber), that will set me well for civvie street as well as put be in great standing for supervisor selection. or take the promotion and risk not enjoying the job that gets offered to me.

Also what effect will this have on my career? or attitude towards me?
First, you don't have to "turn down" your promotion. So long as you have been selected for promotion, that means you are eligible to do your SNCO cadre, which gives you full rank when you are in a SNCO PID. You can theoretically (and practically, it's just not the norm) elect to stay a Cpl simply by not attending your SNCO cadre and being in a Cpl's PID, which seems to describe what you are talking about now. The only reason this might not work is if your capbadge run a direct promotion-to-cadre system (e.g. they have 43 cadre slots this year, so will promote 43 people this year, and you take a slot or lose it). But this isn't the norm, particularly in large arms. Most arms run a system where they will promote X number of people in year X, Y number of people in year Y, and then tailor their cadre sizes (if they control them) accordingly. So most arms have some flexibility for individual circumstance, be that injury, illness, tours, pregnancy, etc.

Second, how this will affect people's attitude towards you: that will depend on the people in your chain of command. It's entirely possible they will just say that you cannot do it, and have to promote: be ready to dig your heels in if that is what happens, because it isn't the final answer. Deferring promotion is unlikely to make people at the APC / Corps level look favourably on you, simply because you are not following the production line and their job is to keep the production line running. But those people change over every 18-24 months anyway, so don't worry about that too much. The number one super special primary top priority number one is to get your immediate chain of command at your unit (with the training and Cpl post) onside - this should be fairly easy, as they are unlikely to want to have to re-address the problem of filling your post. If they go to bat for you with the higher chain of command you have a good chance. You can easily survive someone in a Corps / APC post being a bit annoyed with you. You cannot easily survive your immediate chain of command being annoyed with you and it affecting your report, which is on record.

Third, if you are R Sigs take this with a pinch of salt because all arms / regiments / corps are different, but it shouldn't affect your career substantially. Yes, you will relatively loose a little seniority with your peer group, but JNCO / SNCO promotion timelines are a whole lot more flexible than officer timelines, so there isn't really a power curve for you to fall off in the same way. Besides, if you aren't particularly interested in doing 22 years, none of that matters to you anyway. Career profiles and curves are for people who want to be RSM's and CO's and CGS. If you are taking a technical elective route, that is not going to be you (even if you want it to be). Additionally, if you are in a technical elective route, that means the standard promotion and posting pattern won't necessarily apply anyway, because only the people with the tech qualifications or previous time in ACRONYM Regt/Coy/Sect tend to be eligible for the SNCO / WO posts. BUT - health warning - someone current from your capbadge will trump any advice from me or anyone else on the career point.

Fourth, you clearly want to do this job you are currently in, it comes through in every sentence. So do it! Remember that if anyone giving you 'career advice' isn't discussing options outside or the effect decisions now can have on a subsequent civilian career, then they aren't giving you career advice: they are giving you Army advice.

Fifth, a warning note. Be sure that the quals and experience you are getting are actually as gold-plated awesome in the real world as you are describing, before you go all in on them. I vaguely know that area and I would be surprised if that was true, because the military don't give that kind of training, largely because they are more interested in lower level generalist stuff, and also because nobody really agrees on what "that training" actually means yet. You may be posted to somewhere that is a recognised centre of excellence, and in which case, yes, the name alone will be worth having on your CV. But if you are getting excited about having CISSP or some low level ethical hacking qualifications, they aren't quite as shiny on the outside as they are inside the military. Lots of people come out thinking they have a ninja route to 100k p.a. and are sorely disappointed to find they are basically in the same tier as a bloke who has done a 6 week resettlement course. I've seen a good number of people get fixated on Course X being great because it's the best the Army can offer them, without realising that's only because the Army simply offers a very poor standard of anything. If Course X is Tank Commander, Military Diving, Sniper courses...sure, because nobody else trains those externally. If Course X is ECDL, beware. Know the difference between worthwhile quals and junk, and make sure to leaven what you hear from the internal military side ("ACRONYM Regt/Coy/Sect is awesome, you get a Windows for Dummies qual before you even start!") with some outside opinion. The military, even the edumacated ones, are mostly pig ignorant about a) the outside world, b) anything involving computers.
 
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#4
Are you actually in the new PID you want? If yes, then refuse the promotion, if no take the promotion.
 

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