Reform the UN – but how?

DaManBugs

LE
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#1
I was prompted to kick off this, in my view, important discussion because of a very enlightening book written by Carla del Ponte. This one:
BILD interview with Carla del Ponte - „The UN has failed“

The book is not yet available in English, but does bring up some very significant points.

The United Nations was formed just after WWII with the intention of doing much better than the doomed “League of Nations” in having a much greater impact/influence on world affairs and (hopefully) leading, at some time, to a sort of peace on the planet – with various countries carrying out their discussions about “differences” in the UN plenum and not on the battlefield.
United Nations - Wikipedia
In the meantime, the UN has been almost completely taken over by egocentric, immediate invested interests and, as such, has proved to be completely ineffectual in preventing even one death, by war, hunger or thirst, in all of the very many conflicts around the world that have occurred since the end of WWII.

In an increasingly tethered and international world, I believe it’s clear that there must be some sort of overarching, worldwide official organisation recognised by all to counter the current trend of nations simply embarking on destructive, and essentially counter-productive, wars to further their own self-serving ends, and in the process massacring thousands/millions of innocent folks along the way. Can that actually be what we mean when we talk about “humanity” and its basic principles?

The planet is going to shite! Astonishing environmental damage is done by unrelenting logging, destructive mountain-top mining, fracking, farming run-off devastating drinking-water, local wars, national wars, etc. All to enable international companies to grab a share of the profits going. There’s nothing to stop the “robber barons” from, quite literally, destroying the earth in their incessant greed for “more profit”. What can be done?

Is there a way, or method, to stop Capitalists from relentlessly and progressively making the earth uninhabitable by forming some sort of completely neutral and impartial (UN or all-nation) force that could, at the very least, diminish the impact of such impositions by interfering with the (Capitalist) interests represented by those national and international companies at present busy with destroying the world without any regard whatsoever for the future? Would such a force even be possible? The question is, really: “Are we prepared to defend our homeland (our planet) from the scourge of national and international companies wanting to make a profit from whatever they can?

MsG
 
#2
I think if you really want the debate you claim then Remove the NB

Quite frankly that's nothing more than a troll for attacks you can complain about.

Nevermind how demanding a pleasant useful exchange of ideas instead of unwarranted attacks upon yourself from people that you then brand vermin is somewhat hypocritical.

Edir speelung
 
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#3
Is there a way, or method, to stop Capitalists from relentlessly and progressively making the earth uninhabitable by forming some sort of completely neutral and impartial (UN or all-nation) force that could, at the very least, diminish the impact of such impositions by interfering with the (Capitalist) interests represented by those national and international companies at present busy with destroying the world without any regard whatsoever for the future? ,
MsG
In reference to your text given the environmental mess presided over by numerous socialist countries - its rather strange just to fixate on capitalist economies - If that's your aim then the UN doesn't need reform just establish a dedicated anti US / Europe equivalent of the UNHRC based around voting blocks of socialist countries and directing as many articles as it can at capitalist parties and systematically ignoring any by other parties we could call it UNERC the UN Earth Rights Council (or SWP for short)
 
#6
In reference to your text given the environmental mess presided over by numerous socialist countries - its rather strange just to fixate on capitalist economies - If that's your aim then the UN doesn't need reform just establish a dedicated anti US / Europe equivalent of the UNHRC based around voting blocks of socialist countries and directing as many articles as it can at capitalist parties and systematically ignoring any by other parties we could call it UNERC the UN Earth Rights Council (or SWP for short)
Only if they're self funding, which I'm sure is what they'd want, rather than filthy capitalist lucre.
 

Helm

MIA
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#8
No real point in a debate in the way it's worded and given the OP, it's not up for a debate. He's merely soapboxing
 
#9
Is there a way, or method, to stop Capitalists from relentlessly and progressively making the earth uninhabitable
A leading and biassed question, which means you're not actually interested in a debate but have formed the question to put across your pre-decided political and economical viewpoint.

D- Please rewrite and resubmit
 
#10
Kinda makes you wonder if the 9/11 group had hit the UN headquarters rather than the twin towers, would there have been Afghan and Iraq?
 
#11
The UN will never work for what it aspires to. The quality of the representatives is far too low, their only interest is to manage the convenient restrictions to meaningful progress and reducing their workload to the minimum.

The only battles they will ever fight is for the best seats on the gravy train.
 
#12
As an ex-UN functionary (with nice light-blue passport and white Landcruiser) and having seen how the organisation works at the 'sharp end' (well... semi-blunt end), I suggest the following:

Create a three-tier system within the UN.
Tier 1: 'UNSC' but with only democratic countries that have nuclear weapons (US, UK, France, Israel, India) and Japan and Canada (because they're decent). Russia and China can have observer status but no voting rights.​
Tier 2: Democratic countries that follow the rule of law, etc. (i.e. civilised countries e.g. Germany, Sweden, etc.)​
Tier 3: Non-democratic countries/dictatorships/absolute monarchies/scum and other socialists.​
Only Tier 1 and Tier 2 can vote. Only language permitted is English (to keep costs down and to be a marker of national advancement). Tier 3 have observer status only.

Tier 1 and 2 countries get to use the international financial markets at 'AAA' rating/pricing for borrowing money. All others have to pay BB- rates of interest to give them an incentive to sort out their shit. Also all Tier 1 and 2 countries should have preferential trade tariffs and Tier 3 goods are taxed at a minimum of 20%.

'Westernise' the UN bureaucracy: get rid of all the 'affirmative action' targets that have resulted in corrupt little shits from Zimbabwe and other shitholes getting important jobs and instead give the jobs to Tier 1 and Tier 2 nationals who have the relevant experience and qualifications. Tier 3 nationals would be forbidden from holding any UN job or receiving any UN funding.

As to the OP whining about the evils of capitalism: it is capitalism that has seen the greatest ever reduction in global poverty and it has been socialism that has seen the greatest environmental damage ever done to the Earth (and I've been to many of these places). It isn't coincidence that China, under communism the most polluting and polluted country in the world, now that is has capitalism under a one-party rule, is the world's largest maker and user of solar energy.
 

smeg-head

ADC
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#13
I think what the OP is trying to say is "Come and get me, I'm talking bollocks again". When most people start a thread, they usually intend arriving at a conclusion; when Otto von Bullschitter starts a thread, his only intention is to promote his own ideas to the detriment of all others. The fact that he includes the Vermin, Arrserati and the Bugsy Bashers in his opening post, proves that he craves the attention he will get when the inevitable happens.
There is no chance of a realistic debate on the subject because our resident Leftie has already laid his cards on the table. Good luck with this one John, see you in the Arrse-hole.
 
#14
Just remove the power to veto, simple, effective and costs nothing.

Trouble is the Russians will probably veto the idea.
 
#15
Sure I you can, Dorky-Boy! Why don't you do just that?

But what has that to do with the present thread? In my initial OP, I expressly asked that the ARRSE vermin avoid their usual self-serving posts Dorky_ Boy. The thread subject is much more more important than self-serving gobshites like you, Why can't you cleave to that?

MsG
You quote a book that no-one [on this site] is likely to ever read.
You express an opinion that you know will be at odds with the majority of arrsers.
And you deliberately set out to provoke the people you describe as "arrse vermin" with the last paragraph of you original post which you have now conveniently deleted.
Rather like communist regimes, re-writing history.
Don't worry, I copied and pasted it into a Word document for future reference.
:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
 

Sixty

ADC
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#16
And you deliberately set out to provoke the people you describe as "arrse vermin" with the last paragraph of you original post which you have now conveniently deleted.
The deletion of the offending paragraph was by me rather than the OP. It seemed to be a reasonable topic that didnt need derailing and one where knowledgable posts both pro and contra (see @Dread's above) would add value.
 
#18
This seems a decent subject to discuss, so if certain people don’t start behaving I’ll be round to kick your heads in, capisce?
 
#19
Why the UN doesn't work:

UN Resolutions Targeting Israel and Palestinians

I have deliberately used this example as it seems to be de rigueur to bash Israel at the moment.
My point being that the UN is not a/political. The organisation has agendas and political bias depending on who's currently in favour. The veto system means that it is totally toothless as an organisation.
 

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