Rees-Mogg: Traitor, Hero or Muppet?

JRM 1/ Traitor, 2/ Hero, 3/ Muppet

  • 1. Traitor

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • 2. Hero

    Votes: 50 15.9%
  • 3. Muppet

    Votes: 89 28.3%
  • 4. A very nice chap doing his best for the country

    Votes: 154 49.0%

  • Total voters
    314
The next PM of Old Blighty, to be ushered into Number Nine, Ten and Eleven Downing Street by the Sir Humpries of the Civil Serpents..... as he moves his family in :eek:o_O
 
[snip]The UK didn’t get on fine prior to entering the Common Market. Rampant inflation, high unemployment, abysmal industrial relations (being undermined by malign Soviet influence), balance of payment crises, collapsing sterling, massively under-invested Victorian-era engineering sector, crap housing, crap public infrastructure...[/snip]
All of those happened AFTER WE JOINED the Common Market...
 
He's something of a God botherer.

Never trust a grown up who has an imaginary friend that tell him what to do.
I thought that was the missus.
 
What would his speciality be In the crusade against the dumbing down of society?
Having more kids
The rhythm method
Knotting a tie properly

Convincing young people it’s ok to wear the grandads tracksuit bottoms
Using Latin on Just Eat
Talking down to camera people.
The possibilities are endless, explaining the offside rule to girls
I think he would carry on speaking openly and honestly, unlike many politicians who either talk shite, refuse to answer a direct question clearly, or just keep changing the subject.
He would also approve of policy that encourages people to strive for better, become better and smarter, as opposed to policy used cynically to buy votes and dumb down society.
Did you buy your £3 Labour Party membership btw ?
 

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I've a lot of time for JRM. Funny as **** on Have I Got News and quite frankly that's what I benchmark my politicians on.

However what would be nice, is if everyone just worked together for once to get us out of this ******* mess Cameron got us into, one way or another.
 
JRM is intelligent, no doubt about it, but his intelligence seems to be to get to the PM position.

I can understand that Rees-Mogg does adhere to his principles, but his principles are horrific. A homophobic, over-privileged bigot. Add to that his profiteering notions. Tax havens? Ask Mr Rees-Mogg. Anyone who espouses that abortion in cases of rape or incest is wrong is inhuman.

Him being in PM role will turn back Conservative politics to something way before Thatcher. After that, Corbyn as PM? awful prospects.
I know two women who had abortions in their younger days. One of them was taken advantage of by a family friend , a generation older, when a naive kiss became full-on intercourse.
The abortions, in both cases, haunted them for the rest of their lives because they were good, innocent people who chose to terminate a life.
That is where JR-Ms opinion is based, I reckon, more than a tenet of his faith.
His joy of family is obvious to see, he is smart and witty in a pleasant way.
I think he is a good man.
 

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I know two women who had abortions in their younger days. One of them was taken advantage of by a family friend , a generation older, when a naive kiss became full-on intercourse.
The abortions, in both cases, haunted them for the rest of their lives because they were good, innocent people who chose to terminate a life.
That is where JR-Ms opinion is based, I reckon, more than a tenet of his faith.
His joy of family is obvious to see, he is smart and witty in a pleasant way.
I think he is a good man.
Abortion is presently based on a political viewpoint where males are permitted neither a stance nor a decision.

Should you and your partner create an unplanned pregnancy, don't even imagine you have any part in what ultimately happens.
The male may be consulted at some stage, but should his view not coincide precisely with hers it will be discarded like the split condom that started it all.

If you're against abortion you're a misogynist who doesn't "respect" a woman's right to do whatever she chooses with her body. You therefore treat her like chattel.
If you're for it you're a misogynist who doesn't "respect" a woman's right to do whatever she chooses with her body. You are therefore a vicious baby killer.

While I personally think JRM's views on abortion are far too extreme, I am impressed that he has the guts to both air and defend them.
 
Anyone who espouses that abortion in cases of rape or incest is wrong is inhuman.
Killing a baby for someone else's crime seems pretty inhuman to me.
 

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Buy a bigger shed or order the stuff from the UK
Its not difficult plan for the thing ffs
The point of JIT is the people building the "widgets" are also JIT. They don't have the capacity to up production to allow for sufficient storage.
 
Abortion is presently based on a political viewpoint where males are permitted neither a stance nor a decision.

Should you and your partner create an unplanned pregnancy, don't even imagine you have any part in what ultimately happens.
The male may be consulted at some stage, but should his view not coincide precisely with hers it will be discarded like the split condom that started it all.

If you're against abortion you're a misogynist who doesn't "respect" a woman's right to do whatever she chooses with her body. You therefore treat her like chattel.
If you're for it you're a misogynist who doesn't "respect" a woman's right to do whatever she chooses with her body. You are therefore a vicious baby killer.

While I personally think JRM's views on abortion are far too extreme, I am impressed that he has the guts to both air and defend them.
First two paragraphs, a good analysis of how a Socialist experiment has been trying to change our attitudes / values.

Final paragraph, I am quite cool about people honestly having a faith.
Life experience tells me it's bollocks, but some of the best people I know feel different. I respect their opinion.
 
He is intent on a Tory party of the old school, Etonians primarily. His agenda is to my mind revolting. I cannot accept someone with a professed objection to gay people and abortion. He is a throwback, and deserves to be thrown back.
That he wants the Conservative party to be Conservative is true, I have never heard him say it should consist of Etonians. Dimblebore tried to score points off him on that until JRM reminded him that he had been at Eton with Dimblebore minor ( whose fees were presumably subsidised by the TV license payer...cheers easy). He does not object to gay people, he considers homosexual sex to be a sin in line with the teachings of his church, very different to your untrue statement. I agree with him on abortion largely. If this makes me a throwback as well then I am pleased to join him. I consider progressive posturing like yours to be truly revolting so we are square there.
 
@mercurydancer
I also consider men ******* men abhorrent, devient and disgusting.
The homos/ gays/ mates I spend time with are great company.
As long as what they get up to in the bedroom, stays in the bedroom, don't have a problem with it.
Force it upon you , like that impartial purveyor of knowledge, the BBC does ?

No longer pay a license fee or watch television.
 
Whilst Mr Rees-Mogg may have his shortcomings and strengths; the hero, traitor or muppet in this is surely Mr Cameron who failed to deal this whole problem and put the party, house and country on red and it turned up black.
 
The point of JIT is the people building the "widgets" are also JIT. They don't have the capacity to up production to allow for sufficient storage.
Several people who seem to know something about customs have given the answer to this, but nobody seems to be willing to pay attention to them. JIT trade between the UK and the EU should not be a problem if the proper customs procedures are set up.

There is a hard border between Canada and the US, with customs and immigration checks, the whole works. There's also well over $500 billion in trade in goods going across that border each year, and quite a bit of it goes on in JIT goods, including auto parts. Canada has a significantly larger auto industry than the UK and it is no more difficult for parts producers to supply customers on the other side of the border than it is in the same country.

I'm not in the customs business, but my understanding of the process is that when the truck of auto parts leaves the dock in the factory the customs paperwork is sent in electronically and gets to the border hours before the truck gets there. When the truck reaches the border the shipment should already have cleared customs. At the border the customs officials verify that the ID of the truck matches the (electronic) paperwork, and that the driver is registered with them (this is for immigration clearance). There are dedicated pre-cleared truck lanes at major border crossings.

Note that customs procedures for large corporations providing a continuous supply of goods across a border is significantly different from what you as an individual experiences, or what a small company doing one-off or small shipments goes through. More than 29,000 trucks cross the Canada-US border each and every day. It should be pretty obvious that only a very small fraction of them get unloaded into customs warehouses where customs inspector poke at the contents looking for contraband. Customs mainly relies on trusting the large companies involved to report on what is in the trucks. It's the small traders and individuals who get put under the magnifying glass.

In my own personal experience with the Canada-US auto industry the main problems that I have seen have not been customs clearance. Rather it's been security issues when someone in the US thought they saw a Muslim hiding under a bush and the border has slowed to a crawl while they want to red alert looking for Muslim terrorists. Security cooperation has a trade angle to it.

There was a delegation from the UK who visited one of the major border crossing points in southwestern Ontario a year or two ago to review the procedures and software in use, and they seemed to go away quite satisfied. The issues involved will not be news to the people in the UK who have to prepare for this as they have evidently been researching it.

However, all this assumes that the agreements, standards, and procedures for doing all this have been negotiated and are in place. I have no idea what systems the EU may already have in place that can be adapted for this purpose versus what may have to be negotiated from scratch.

If Canada and the US can organize a workable border system, I'm pretty sure the UK and EU can manage it. However, signing a trade deal would only be the start of things. Lower level working groups from both sides would need to form the procedures and processes to make it actually work in practice. I would not be surprised if the UK were to seek to buy time (years) to get all of that in place before cutting the final ties with the EU.

I try not to follow the Brexit debates on this site as they are quite tedious and repetitive, but what I do see a lot of is people on each side holding to opposing extreme positions that bear little resemblance to reality in an attempt to form a stick with which to beat their opponents. The customs issue is a typical example. In all the debate on this site nobody seems to stop and ask "wait a minute, how does the rest of the world manage to do this" because nobody really seems interested in expanding their knowledge, only in doing down the other side. It's what makes the whole debate here so pointless. It seems to get the COs lots of page views and ad impressions though.

P.S. - To add something about the actual topic, I had never heard of Mr. Rees-Mogg before I saw his name mentioned on this site. I've since watched a few YouTube clips of him talking, and he seems like quite a polite, well mannered, and intelligent fellow and I think that there should be more of that in politics. As to his policies and principles though, I know little of them or of how they relate to the major issues in UK politics and can't really comment on that. If he's wrong about things, well I can still respect someone that I disagree with if he is honest and acts with good will.
 
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Fang_Farrier

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A foetus isn't a baby.
There are a range of thoughts from when life begins. From the moment of conception to the moment of birth, and all sorts of times in between.

JRM is of the belief that life begins at conception and that every life is sacred.

This forms the basis for his stance on abortion.
 

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