Rees-Mogg: Traitor, Hero or Muppet?

JRM 1/ Traitor, 2/ Hero, 3/ Muppet

  • 1. Traitor

    Votes: 21 6.6%
  • 2. Hero

    Votes: 51 16.0%
  • 3. Muppet

    Votes: 91 28.6%
  • 4. A very nice chap doing his best for the country

    Votes: 155 48.7%

  • Total voters
    318
There are a range of thoughts from when life begins. From the moment of conception to the moment of birth, and all sorts of times in between.

JRM is of the belief that life begins at conception and that every life is sacred.

This forms the basis for his stance on abortion.
And on this point I'll politely disagree with him.
I'm no fan of abortion & consider current law to be too liberal regarding how far on it's allowed but his stance is too far in t' other direction.
Gays? Be who you are but don't demand special attention because special you ain't is my view.
 
In my own personal experience with the Canada-US auto industry the main problems that I have seen have not been customs clearance. Rather it's been security issues when someone in the US thought they saw a Muslim hiding under a bush and the border has slowed to a crawl while they want to red alert looking for Muslim terrorists. Security cooperation has a trade angle to it.
@terminal

The biggest bottleneck for cross border auto trade flow is the lack of sufficient number of crossing points in the Detroit area.

Years of one cranky old man (Mouron - or, Moron, as we call him) and his family have held back construction of newer crossings, but it finally seems to have been resolved. There were also issues on the Canadian side where Ontario residents were protesting the increase in traffic in their neighborhoods if these new crossings came about.

Why One Rich Man Shouldn't Own An International Bridge

As Canada forges ahead on bridge project, trade tensions near a boil

I know/knew quite a few Canadian colleagues at my ex work in the U.S. who commuted daily across the river from ON to SE-MI/ Detroit area for work and they seem to get in OK, apart from the odd delay or two - of course, they mostly used the tunnel underneath. Don't know how it is now in the last 5yrs as I haven't been in touch with them.
 
JRM is a genuine English hero in the mould of Drake, Wellington and Michael Caine's character in Zulu. In times past he would have led expeditions up the Irrawaddy to rescue British missionaries from dusky natives and fought the slave trade in a suitably swashbuckling manner. Unfortunately it's the 21st century (a place JRM has never visited, I assure you) and the Empire is long gone. (Don't tell the fat lad in the Help for Heroes T-shirt please.) Poor old JRM is confined to defending Britannia's honour from the mealie bag redoubt of the backbenches and providing Europe with any amount of entertainment. Stout fellow.
 
JRM is a genuine English hero in the mould of Drake, Wellington and Michael Caine's character in Zulu. In times past he would have led expeditions up the Irrawaddy to rescue British missionaries from dusky natives and fought the slave trade in a suitably swashbuckling manner. Unfortunately it's the 21st century (a place JRM has never visited, I assure you) and the Empire is long gone. (Don't tell the fat lad in the Help for Heroes T-shirt please.) Poor old JRM is confined to defending Britannia's honour from the mealie bag redoubt of the backbenches and providing Europe with any amount of entertainment. Stout fellow.
A great analogy. I should admire JRM - as i am a Big and small c conservative, with liberal tendencies. And that’s the rub. Many of his beliefs - which he’d clearly like to be policies - are anachronistic and to the outside world, laughable.

However, if he championed the return of detached collars and watch chains, I’d support him.

And the abolition of tattoos and uPVC joinery, fake stone cladding, fully paved front gardens, ‘slipped fan light’ front doors, flush doors...
 
If one of his aims is to return the Conservative Party to having a conservative agenda, then I'd vote for him.
What we have right now is a Tory party with a mostly left of Blairite agenda, with PMTM being a prime example.
Yes it´s all gone too far to the left. The Tory´s are Neo Liberal (centre left), Labour (Far Left), Lib Dems (who knows). UKIP (Right of centre).

We dont have a right wing at the moment which is what is fueling the rise of the actual far right (still virtually non-existent but it´s coming).

It has been shown in history again and again that if you do not have a left , centre and right wing option then the extremes develop and fill the gaps.

The only thing keeping TM in power for this past year is the fact that nobody wants to hand Corbyn the keys to number 10 which is a possibility if the Tories crumble any further.

Things will be much worse with them in charge, Dianne Abbot in the cabinet!.
 
@mercurydancer
I also consider men ******* men abhorrent, devient and disgusting.
The homos/ gays/ mates I spend time with are great company.
As long as what they get up to in the bedroom, stays in the bedroom, don't have a problem with it.
Force it upon you , like that impartial purveyor of knowledge, the BBC does ?

No longer pay a license fee or watch television.
ahem, Perhaps this is what you meant to say?

The government has no role to play in a persons love life or sex life, regardless of genders involved. The government also has no role in the marriage business thus releasing it from having any input or opinion on whom is able to marry whom.

The crux of the gay marriage issue appears to me to be that as marriage is largely a religious institution, the religious institution should have sole say in who and how those marriages can take place.

The government is not and should never be in a position to force a religion to break it´s own values and marry gay people, which it is fairly obvious is a problem for them.

Instead, the option of a civil marriage or some other gay friendly church marriage should be fine however as the government is very much involved in the marriage business, gay people are rightly demanding fair and equal treatment. There should be no marriage tax or allowance, such a thing is entirely outside the bounds of government.

I believe that you will find that JRM is of the same opinion.
 
ahem, Perhaps this is what you meant to say?

The government has no role to play in a persons love life or sex life, regardless of genders involved. The government also has no role in the marriage business thus releasing it from having any input or opinion on whom is able to marry whom.

The crux of the gay marriage issue appears to me to be that as marriage is largely a religious institution, the religious institution should have sole say in who and how those marriages can take place.

The government is not and should never be in a position to force a religion to break it´s own values and marry gay people, which it is fairly obvious is a problem for them.

Instead, the option of a civil marriage or some other gay friendly church marriage should be fine however as the government is very much involved in the marriage business, gay people are rightly demanding fair and equal treatment. There should be no marriage tax or allowance, such a thing is entirely outside the bounds of government.

I believe that you will find that JRM is of the same opinion.
Yup, pretty much concur with all of that.
I just choose to phrase my opinions in a way that causes offence to the Liberal, Socialist, Lefty part of Society and hopefully spoils their day .
 
He's not a leader - irrespective of how you regard his views, his debating style/logic and demeanour.
Agreed . Can you imagine him as a subbie issuing orders for a platoon attack , and cutting down his sergeant for interrupting or winning arguments time and again with the adjutant and the CO ?
 
JRM is intelligent, no doubt about it, but his intelligence seems to be to get to the PM position.

I can understand that Rees-Mogg does adhere to his principles, but his principles are horrific. A homophobic, over-privileged bigot. Add to that his profiteering notions. Tax havens? Ask Mr Rees-Mogg. Anyone who espouses that abortion in cases of rape or incest is wrong is inhuman.

Him being in PM role will turn back Conservative politics to something way before Thatcher. After that, Corbyn as PM? awful prospects.
What has he ever said that's homophobic ?
He has stated that his views on abortion are his private views and that he fully acknowledges they put him at odds with modern thinking and that they are not his political policy views .
I can understand the envy , he comes from a privileged background and has made himself very rich off his own bat , but the wealth funds he set up operate within the bounds of our existing tax laws , always have and always will .
Personally , I do want him to become PM . He's got the intellect and intelligence of a giant . He will not let himself be bullied by the Civil Service ( who , after all , are the actual ones running the show ) let alone that self appointed cabal of European autocrats and yes , he is a family man with deeply held religious convictions , who is not afraid to tell some slimy journo that he's never wiped his kids arses .
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
I think he would carry on speaking openly and honestly, unlike many politicians who either talk shite, refuse to answer a direct question clearly, or just keep changing the subject.
He would also approve of policy that encourages people to strive for better, become better and smarter, as opposed to policy used cynically to buy votes and dumb down society.
Did you buy your £3 Labour Party membership btw ?
Me, no, unlike some in here I’m not in anyway responsible for Jeremy Corbyn.
As for JRM, speaking openly and honestly on what.
A return to 19th century woman’s rights. The ability to chirp in Latin, all very well. It’s just a pity it’s not being taught in schools.

Would it be so impressive if he constantly made quips in French?. That’s a second language, (that’s all Latin is)
Some of his views on woman’s rights and food banks. Hardly encourage striving or become better and smarter. Unless avoiding being in the position where you need a foodbank is a valuable lesson.

I suppose had we all been born into a state of inherited wealth, privilege and private education. (Good for him btw) we too could spend our time exhorting and encouraging others to do better.

Despite having moderate means I too urge my fellow man on to greater things. Even if it’s ‘Hey, pick up after your dog’.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
Yup, pretty much concur with all of that.
I just choose to phrase my opinions in a way that causes offence to the Liberal, Socialist, Lefty part of Society and hopefully spoils their day .
Fully understandable.
When in the UK I was part of one of their 'protected' groups.
Until I gave them my sociopolitical views.
You could see the look of, "DOES NOT COMPUTE !" In their eyes, and they're unsure if they should stfu or take up the argument and be denounced as racist.

If only I were a disabled clamjousting shapeshifter they'd self destruct.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
@mercurydancer
I also consider men ******* men abhorrent, devient and disgusting.
The homos/ gays/ mates I spend time with are great company.
As long as what they get up to in the bedroom, stays in the bedroom, don't have a problem with it.
Force it upon you , like that impartial purveyor of knowledge, the BBC does ?

No longer pay a license fee or watch television.
Where and when have the BBC forced homosexuality on anyone.?

Holy God, I’ve been listening to Radio 4 and the World Service for 40odd years home and abroad. Nobody has noticed any improvement in my choice of clothing and soft furnishing.

And fwiw what someone does in the privacy of their own home as long as it’s not interfering with children or animals. Has sod all to do with me. I couldn’t care less.
 
Me, no, unlike some in here I’m not in anyway responsible for Jeremy Corbyn.
As for JRM, speaking openly and honestly on what.
A return to 19th century woman’s rights. The ability to chirp in Latin, all very well. It’s just a pity it’s not being taught in schools.

Would it be so impressive if he constantly made quips in French?. That’s a second language, (that’s all Latin is)
Some of his views on woman’s rights and food banks. Hardly encourage striving or become better and smarter. Unless avoiding being in the position where you need a foodbank is a valuable lesson.

I suppose had we all been born into a state of inherited wealth, privilege and private education. (Good for him btw) we too could spend our time exhorting and encouraging others to do better.

Despite having moderate means I too urge my fellow man on to greater things. Even if it’s ‘Hey, pick up after your dog’.
The reason Latin was taught in schools was not as an exercise in intellectual superiority or snobbery , it was the base for the learning of modern foreign languages .
The supreme irony is that Latin was binned at around the time we hitched our wagon to the great European project and yet , despite open borders and cheap flights everywhere , our ability as a nation to speak a second or third language has decreased .
 
What has he ever said that's homophobic ?
He has stated that his views on abortion are his private views and that he fully acknowledges they put him at odds with modern thinking and that they are not his political policy views .
I can understand the envy , he comes from a privileged background and has made himself very rich off his own bat , but the wealth funds he set up operate within the bounds of our existing tax laws , always have and always will .
Personally , I do want him to become PM . He's got the intellect and intelligence of a giant . He will not let himself be bullied by the Civil Service ( who , after all , are the actual ones running the show ) let alone that self appointed cabal of European autocrats and yes , he is a family man with deeply held religious convictions , who is not afraid to tell some slimy journo that he's never wiped his kids arses .
I have to say that I like he appears to be as honest a politician as it is possible to get as they are all slimy cnuts of the highest order and admire the fact that unlike most of the lying elected says what he thinks with conviction and justifies it with reasonable explanations (not that I necessarily agree with it all).

I tend to watch whenever he is interviewed or on a panel as he has a knack of managing to make most people he crosses swords with look like a twat with a politeness and style you’d find hard to beat.

I remember during the Scottish Independence referendum seeing a thing on TV where he came up and went to some pretty shitty areas and engaged people on the street - more bottle than a lot of SNP politicians would do outwith their strongholds, met ‘Yes’ campaigners and never got shouty or told people they were wrong.

This was actually was the first time I had even heard of him and since then have watched him as kind of like his old school presentation which doesn’t involve frothing at the mouth like most of the Scottish politicians.
 
The only thing keeping TM in power for this past year is the fact that nobody wants to hand Corbyn the keys to number 10 which is a possibility if the Tories crumble any further.
They are concerned with their own skins. There is no heroic forgoing of opportunities for personal advancement going on to keep Jeremy out of No10.

Glad to hear @skid2 didn't partake in the wizard wheeze of giving Corbyn a mandate he could not have earned otherwise. Anyone who did pushed Corbyn much further along the track to No10 than anything else.
 

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