Redundancy 2012 Rumours

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  1. So Ive heard from "the bloke in the office" that all 3 tranches are to be converged into one massive one, anyone else got anything on this, also wondering what the dates are for the Initial Choose or be picked and the Date of the 6 or 12 months til you leave ?
  2. This Tribe

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    That matches some gossip I picked up as well. A 'good source' reports that approx 4500 will go in the next round.
    No details on timelines, ranks, cap badges, etc though.

    General intent seems to be to get the cuts over and done with so that whoever is left can get on with figuring out what the Army is for post Afghanistan. Also heard a vague sniff that there are options on the table to bring withdrawal forward as well.
  3. Could the powers that be actually support such a venture?

    4500 going through resettlement at the same time?
  4. If you take a basic look at the Army's projected drawdown to 2015 - down by 17000 uniforms - 2011 @900, 2012 @2000 which leaves 14000 to spread over 2013/14/15. That's a fairly big swathe, which is just depressing.
  5. Would it not be better to figure out what the Army is for BEFORE getting the cuts over and done with?
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  6. That's what S type were invented for :D
  7. Capability v cost cutting...
  8. Bowmore_Assassin

    Bowmore_Assassin LE Moderator Book Reviewer

    Not sure about the 3 into 1 tranche thing but, as far as I am aware:

    Jan 12 - DIN released giving Tranche 2 Redundancy criteria
    Feb 12 - Applications for voluntary redundancy to be submitted
    End May 12 - Redundancy annoucements
    End Nov 12 - Voluntary redundancy personnel out of the Army
    May 13 - Non-voluntary redundancy personnel out of the Army.

    Tranche 3 and 4 (last I heard), as above but change dates to '13, '14, '15 as necessary.

    Don't quote me if this changes (again !) !
  9. Bowmore_Assassin

    Bowmore_Assassin LE Moderator Book Reviewer

    Agreed but irrelevent. It's not about capability,it's about saving cash.
  10. Strangely tying together with other office talk, which in my place sems to indicate that thought is being given to a single announcement of individuals who will go, but the timing of their departure will be staged (if they so choose, with a potential financial incentive to leave earlier). This will allow the Pyramid planners the chance to restructure the manning and promotion plots in line with the (yet to be announced) New Model Army. Do you suppose Oliver Cromwell had these problems?
  11. Sounds like a load of made up trash. the Tranches as planned and announced will almost certainly remain as they have been briefed.
  12. The idea of just announcing who they want to go is appealing (ie get it done wit).

    But that would be a fcuking nightmare. You'd have blokes sat on their arrse for up to 36 months.

    That said,I would probably take advantage of that scheme and time my departure date to my timescale rather than there. Maybe others would also volunteer leading to an increase in voluntary departures. So it does have its plus points.
  13. Bowmore_Assassin

    Bowmore_Assassin LE Moderator Book Reviewer


    However, there is a view (and I am told, this is supported by some at senior levels) that cutting everyone ASAP is a good option to get to circa 82k so the new Army can get on with the brave new world. Perhaps this is why rumourville is spreading the news that the next Tranche will be a big hitter or it will all be done in one go.

    Whilst this may be a good idea (especially if you've had enough and are looking/hoping for redundancy), I have heard that the pay-outs for such an option in such a short space of time are simply not affordable and, more importantly, whilst we are still engaged in Afghanistan, we still need people to be doing what they are doing. I guess, referring to the latter, that is why, when they made a bunch of Colonels redundant on Tranche 1, without reducing the corresponding manpower liability, they promoted a bunch of Lt Cols outside of the Blue List to make up the this feckin rocket science ?

    Having said that, the firm needs to chop a load of people by 2015 leading to 2020 so Tranche 2 and the following tranches will have to be in the thousands. A statement of the bleeding obvious I know, but I would suggest (IMHO), if you are not in the top 10% (and even if you are), you should be looking at starting resettlement type planning/courses now without declaring your intent. The bonus is if you don't go, you are better qualified/educated which is always a good thing or if you do go, at least you will be better prepared or ready to transition to civdiv.

    May I just say if it all changes (and I would not be surprised if it does), I am not guilty !
  14. Pretty certain (from inside APC Glasgow) that there will not be any changes to the timings of redundancy tranches as the work so far has all been built around and predicated on those dates. Apparently it may be acceptable to alter the "presentational aspects" of the sacking of perfectly decent, hardworking and valuable service personnel in order to e a better impression of caring employer/serf relationship. Sadly the net effect will be the same..
  15. It may be that there will be a further Tranche of redundancy post ISAF 2014 to reduce the Field Army to 82,000 and better match the avialable UK infrastructure. Most likely targets are to be unused specialist functions and those that can be most easily outsourced or replaced by civil industry.