Reducing bergen weight

#1
Now i know that packing a bergen is a personal thing when SOPs are not in place, we all have different ways of doing it. But im finding them im carrying the same kit of everybody else in my platoon but still have one of the heaviest bergens in my platoon, so i want to go back to basics try to sort out any stupid mistakes. Thanks in advance, the current packing method is:


Left rocket
-Spare socks and underwear
-Rations in an old S6 resperator haversack (food and minimum brew kit)
-Wash kit in a 20x20x6cm plastic box. Contains mirror, small shave balm, small moisturiser, hand sanitizer, talc, disposable razors, shaving oil, toothpaste and tooth brush

Right rocket
-Water proofs
-Gators
-Softie

Main body
-Softie sleeping bag
-2l camelback
-Daysack
-Spare uniform

Top lid = Bash kit

Inside lid pouch = 2 x A4 zip lock bags, one for rubbish and one for fablon and stuff for orders admin.

Utility pouch on the front = Water bottle for cooking/spare water



Im thinking the main problem may be the placing of the wash kit and rations and also what im storing them in. Any suggestions?
 
#3
Pacifist_Jihadist said:
Im thinking the main problem may be the placing of the wash kit and rations and also what im storing them in. Any suggestions?
No matter where you place your wash kit and rations, your bergan will still weigh the same.

Are your waterproofs and spare uniform sized XXXXL by any chance?
 
#6
norse_yoda said:
Ditch all of it.

Pack sleeping bag and 24hrs rations. Everything else improvise adapt and overcome.
Haha, why use a bergen? you could just tie the sleeping bag round you, and shove the rations in your pockets?
 
#8
My comments in bold

Pacifist_Jihadist said:
Now i know that packing a bergen is a personal thing when SOPs are not in place, we all have different ways of doing it. But im finding them im carrying the same kit of everybody else in my platoon but still have one of the heaviest bergens in my platoon, so i want to go back to basics try to sort out any stupid mistakes. Thanks in advance, the current packing method is:


Left rocket
-Spare socks and underwear How many pairs. Should be two prs of each max
-Rations in an old S6 resperator haversack (food and minimum brew kit) bin the haversack. use a thin drawstring bag for this sort of organising
-Wash kit in a 20x20x6cm plastic box sew a flannel bag instead. Contains mirror bin it - use the one in your survival kit or silva compass instead, small shave balm bin it princess! ;), small moisturiser oh come on :roll:, hand sanitizer you're worrying me now, talc use the issued plastic talc dispenser, disposable razors buy a double edge type and carry blades - probably not a weight saving but much more convenient, shaving oil you only need soap, toothpaste and tooth brush toothpowder is more compact and less messy

Right rocket
-Water proofs I wouldn't bother with the trousers for 6-8months of the year (In fact I rarely carried any at all)
-Gators rarely required.
-Softie

Main body
-Softie sleeping bag
-2l camelback Isn't this another rucksack with an inbuilt waterbladder? Keep the bladder if needs be (although a water bottle is more practical in my view) and bin the rucksack element
-Daysack you're carrying a rucksack in your rucksack? why?
-Spare uniform what, a complete spare? shouldn't that be in your kit bag (showing my age) with the CQMS on the Coy transport?

Top lid = Bash kit you've probably got too much of it. Either one bivi bag OR one poncho and four bungees.

Inside lid pouch = 2 x A4 zip lock bags, one for rubbish and one for fablon and stuff for orders admin.

Utility pouch on the front = Water bottle for cooking/spare water



Im thinking the main problem may be the placing of the wash kit and rations and also what im storing them in. Any suggestions?
There, that's a weight off your mind - and your shoulders!
 
#9
Just do wet and dry drills, wet kit on, dry kit in bag with a pair of trainers for night, with possibly 3 pairs of socks as they're important. Possibly use cycling shorts instead of underwear for comfort.

The number of people i've seen with 3 or even 4 changes of uniform is mind boggling!
 
#10
Ditch the S6 ressie sack for your rations; use a few A4 bags, and keep a meal, biscuits etc in your webbing.
Camelbak (2l) + extra waterbottle (1l) + main waterbottle (1l). I take it you drink a lot? That's 3kg in your bergen.
What's in the daysack? What can you do without?

Of course, you may just be imagining it. Everybody else's bergen always seems to be lighter than yours; if you carry theirs for any distance, though, you'll soon realise that it isn't. Or you could just be less fit than everyone else, or the bergen could be a bad fit (too long or short for your back), or one side might be too heavy, so the weight is transferred unevenly, straining your muscles, or the straps aren't adjusted properly...
Buy or nick a mass balance (the thing the PTIs use to see whether your webbing is heavy enough for the CFT) and compare.
Bear in mind that it may well be much heavier, and that you need to be able to pack whilst leaving space ("Sorry, sarnt; I ain't got room for all this link, and the mortar bombs are a bit 'eavy...")
 
#11
Bravo_Zulu said:
Camelbak (2l) + extra waterbottle (1l) + main waterbottle (1l). I take it you drink a lot? That's 3kg in your bergen.
I disagree mate, I know a lot of lads who carry extra water, when you don't know when the next replen will occur, having a spare isn't a bad thing. There are a lot worse things he could ditch than water!
 
#12
Praetorian said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
Camelbak (2l) + extra waterbottle (1l) + main waterbottle (1l). I take it you drink a lot? That's 3kg in your bergen.
I disagree mate, I know a lot of lads who carry extra water, when you don't know when the next replen will occur, having a spare isn't a bad thing. There are a lot worse things he could ditch than water!
I agree. Depends though. If your in a mech unit thats what jerry cans are for!
 
#13
Detonator said:
Praetorian said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
Camelbak (2l) + extra waterbottle (1l) + main waterbottle (1l). I take it you drink a lot? That's 3kg in your bergen.
I disagree mate, I know a lot of lads who carry extra water, when you don't know when the next replen will occur, having a spare isn't a bad thing. There are a lot worse things he could ditch than water!
I agree. Depends though. If your in a mech unit thats what jerry cans are for!
I didn't say ditch it; I pointed out that it is heavy; if it comes home barely touched because there's always a jerrycan handy, then it might not be worth carrying. The camelbak could be worn on the back; as it's closer to the spine the weight would be more effectively carried, and it would be easier to drink from than a waterbottle.
 
#14
Pacifist_Jihadist said:
Now i know that packing a bergen is a personal thing when SOPs are not in place, we all have different ways of doing it. But im finding them im carrying the same kit of everybody else in my platoon but still have one of the heaviest bergens in my platoon, so i want to go back to basics try to sort out any stupid mistakes. Thanks in advance, the current packing method is:


Left rocket
-Spare socks and underwear
-Rations in an old S6 resperator haversack (food and minimum brew kit)
-Wash kit in a 20x20x6cm plastic box. Contains mirror, small shave balm, small moisturiser, hand sanitizer, talc, disposable razors, shaving oil, toothpaste and tooth brush

Right rocket
-Water proofs
-Gators
-Softie

Main body
-Softie sleeping bag
-2l camelback
-Daysack
-Spare uniform

Top lid = Bash kit

Inside lid pouch = 2 x A4 zip lock bags, one for rubbish and one for fablon and stuff for orders admin.

Utility pouch on the front = Water bottle for cooking/spare water



Im thinking the main problem may be the placing of the wash kit and rations and also what im storing them in. Any suggestions?
Yes.

If you have to ask on here, you are seriously insane and need a life.

Next.
 
#15
Here's a question for you, how much does it weigh with that lot in it? Max. 12kg or so?

It doesn't sound too excessive to me.
 
#16
Being like, well stacked, I can carry pretty much whatever I want... Go and grow your legs a bit, bergen weight is relative. Squats and rowing are what you want.
 
#17
Ah got to love Arrse replies.

EX_STAB:

-Number of socks carried varies with exercise length.
-That should have been shave balm or moisturiser. Ive got shitty skin at the best of times (Honostly im not the basha bitch :oops:)
-Sanitizer = Ditched
-Talc bottle is the issue one
-The shaving oil bottle is tiny

-I only carry the waterproof jacket
-Gators = Ditched

-The camelback is just a bladder in a fabric pouch rather than a rucksack. Stop its getting puntured like my last one (got it dirt cheap).
-Daysack = patrol pack, for example a munro. Where else would it be? Its empty and packed with what ever is needed for patrol, for example warm kit or ammo or radio batteries.
-Spare uniform is a complete set purely for sleeping in when the main one gets soaked.

-Basha kit is just basha, 4 bungees and tent pegs. There for easy access.


Carrying the bergen isnt a problem nor is doing tabs, just trying to reduce excess weight as i see it as a sign of doing something wrong. Also the idea of being heavier is based upon picking up other peoples and them picking up mine, there is a noticable difference.

I dont have any dramas with the kit im carrying apart from a few silly things pointed out by Stab also there is plenty of space for section kit. Its how im packing it im wondering about. I was lead to believe there is a logic to placing kit to spread the load so its not unbalanced and therefore easier to carry and seemingly lighter to pick up. Thats what im interested in finding out, guess i should have made that clearer.

Also, what other alternatives are there for cycling shorts? Having a hairy arrse means an itchy arrse when wearing them :wink:
 
#18
Boxers are better than close fitting undies. Allows the air to circulate.

I still don't see why you are carrying a daysack in your bergan. Use the rocket pockets - that's what they zip off for surely? If it won't fit in those, use the bergan and leave your other kit behind in your bergan liner.

You don't need more than three pairs of socks. One pair on, one pair clean, one pair drying out after washing. Same for undies.
 
#19
Ok, sensible hat on for a moment.

Obviously, what you carry in our bergen depends on where you are and what you're doing. Your basic load doesn't sound too bad, although a bit heavy on the luxuries.

Here are a couple of suggestions:
1. If other peoples' bergens are lighter, ask them what they've not got in theirs that you have in yours.
2. After each excercise, note down all the kit that you've got and didn't use. Then ask yourself if you really need it.

As to placing weight (not that it sounds as if you're really carrying much):
You should try and carry the heavy items at the top and nearer your body. This lets you stay as upright as possible. Also make sure that the bergen is balanced so that both shoulders are carrying the same amount of weight.
 
#20
EX_STAB said:
Boxers are better than close fitting undies. Allows the air to circulate.

I still don't see why you are carrying a daysack in your bergan. Use the rocket pockets - that's what they zip off for surely? If it won't fit in those, use the bergan and leave your other kit behind in your bergan liner.

You don't need more than three pairs of socks. One pair on, one pair clean, one pair drying out after washing. Same for undies.
I've managed to remove the skin at the top of my thighs a couple of times by using boxers on long tabs. Cycle shorts, or similar tight fitting, non mouisture retaining shorts are the way forward.

Rocket packs are crap. They restrict what you can carry due to their size, and are a pain to assemble/disassemble. I use a daysack too (I keep it rolled up between one of the rocket pouches and the body of the bergan).
 

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