Reduced Camp & Bounty

[bubblechaser]

If you are granted and attend a Reduced Camp are you still required to complete 27 days to qualify for Bounty, or is it still the 12 days out of camp training plus whatever you did on your reduced camp?

Thanks

 

[chrisg46]

The latter, but i think you can only do one reduced camp every three years

 

[bubblechaser]

Ok, thanks, I may be struggling to get up to 27 days this year.

I wouldn't mind but it was last minute changes to camp dates which left a few of us unable to alter work holidays etc.

 

[WhiteHorse]

IIRC the 27 days is mandated ,ie you must do them, reduced camp or not. It is not 12 days plus camp! As stated above only one reduced camp every 3 years and it can go against your award of VRSM too.

Are you really thinking that you can do a short course and no weekends and get your Bounty?

 

[bubblechaser]

Are you really thinking that you can do a short course and no weekends and get your Bounty?

I did not know hence the question. My understanding of bounty qualification, and minimum commitment, (excepting Matts) was 15 days in camp training, 12 days out of camp training. I had not seen it written that 27 days in total was required, though I can well understand it.

Not too worried about the VRSM, earned mine years ago.

 

[WhiteHorse]

Bubble (not a west Ham fan are you?) IIRC its the 27 days min, which is usually seen as 15 days in camp and that leaves 12, however its all down to the Eff Cert, the CO signs it and it has to be backed up by proof of MATTs and days done, many have missed out on a day or two, however, if you think you are going to be short you can a pply for an extension into 08. Realistically though, 12 days is 48 TNTs with no weekends, so if you were to do only one weekend a month and 1 TNT a month you would have done 27 days.

 

[putteesinmyhands]

If you're having difficulty in meeting your commitments, the time may have come to transfer into a Specialist Unit. Supposedly 15 day Camp and 2 weekends, though I've clocked up four weeks and 5 weekends with the prospect of at least four more to go.

There are plenty of vacancies and experienced soldiers would be very welcome.

 

[bubblechaser]

Not a West Ham fan, name is more to do with my role.

For what it is worth I suspect that you have to do 27 days too, and its probably irrelevant how it is made up.
I work overseas alot so cannot rely on the TNT and one w/end a month, still, I should just make it to 27 by April.

 

[WhiteHorse]

If in doubt speak to your CofC, you can extend the Trg Year by days if need be, I've known one soldier to get an extension for the first weekend in april to get him upto the required number of days.

 

[Friendly_Fire]

Not a West Ham fan, name is more to do with my role.

For what it is worth I suspect that you have to do 27 days too, and its probably irrelevant how it is made up.
I work overseas alot so cannot rely on the TNT and one w/end a month, still, I should just make it to 27 by April.

I'm pretty sure the commitment is 27 days and it does matter how it's made up - you need 15 days in camp.

That said, as long as your CO signs the efficiency certificate I think you get your bounty, no matter how many days done / MATTS completed.

Stand by to be corrected.

FF.

 

[WhiteHorse]

Not a West Ham fan, name is more to do with my role.

For what it is worth I suspect that you have to do 27 days too, and its probably irrelevant how it is made up.
I work overseas alot so cannot rely on the TNT and one w/end a month, still, I should just make it to 27 by April.

I'm pretty sure the commitment is 27 days and it does matter how it's made up - you need 15 days in camp.

That said, as long as your CO signs the efficiency certificate I think you get your bounty, no matter how many days done / MATTS completed.
Stand by to be corrected.

FF.

True, but I can't see a CO doing that

 

[msr]

I will dig out the TA Regs reference on this tonight.

msr

 

[GOC2Div]

Not a West Ham fan, name is more to do with my role.

For what it is worth I suspect that you have to do 27 days too, and its probably irrelevant how it is made up.
I work overseas alot so cannot rely on the TNT and one w/end a month, still, I should just make it to 27 by April.

I'm pretty sure the commitment is 27 days and it does matter how it's made up - you need 15 days in camp.

That said, as long as your CO signs the efficiency certificate I think you get your bounty, no matter how many days done / MATTS completed.

Stand by to be corrected.

FF.

MATTs are not 'attempt only' any more. You must pass to qualify for Bounty. MTDs do have some flexibility unless your unit imposes 'Red' or 'mandatory' weekends which can confuse the matter (albeit that they are not supported within TA Regs).

Your CO cannot sign a certificate if you have not passed your MATTs tests. If he believes though that some leniency is appropriate due to mitigating circumstances, he can elevate it to the Regional Brigade Comd (or equivalent) who has the only authority to over-rule the MATTs requirement.

As I understand it, there are very few such referrals.

 

[msr]

MATTs are not 'attempt only' any more. You must pass to qualify for Bounty. MTDs do have some flexibility unless your unit imposes 'Red' or 'mandatory' weekends which can confuse the matter (albeit that they are not supported within TA Regs).

Red/Gold/Starred/whatever weekends are not enforceable, there is no matter over which to be confused.

Your CO cannot sign a certificate if you have not passed your MATTs tests. If he believes though that some leniency is appropriate due to mitigating circumstances, he can elevate it to the Regional Brigade Comd (or equivalent) who has the only authority to over-rule the MATTs requirement.

As I understand it, there are very few such referrals.

Understandably, given the number of opportunities which there are to pass.

msr

 

[Friendly_Fire]

Not a West Ham fan, name is more to do with my role.

For what it is worth I suspect that you have to do 27 days too, and its probably irrelevant how it is made up.
I work overseas alot so cannot rely on the TNT and one w/end a month, still, I should just make it to 27 by April.

I'm pretty sure the commitment is 27 days and it does matter how it's made up - you need 15 days in camp.

That said, as long as your CO signs the efficiency certificate I think you get your bounty, no matter how many days done / MATTS completed.
Stand by to be corrected.

FF.

True, but I can't see a CO doing that

Agreed.

 

[Friendly_Fire]

Not a West Ham fan, name is more to do with my role.

For what it is worth I suspect that you have to do 27 days too, and its probably irrelevant how it is made up.
I work overseas alot so cannot rely on the TNT and one w/end a month, still, I should just make it to 27 by April.

I'm pretty sure the commitment is 27 days and it does matter how it's made up - you need 15 days in camp.

That said, as long as your CO signs the efficiency certificate I think you get your bounty, no matter how many days done / MATTS completed.

Stand by to be corrected.

FF.

MATTs are not 'attempt only' any more....

I know this has been covered in another thread, but I am pretty sure the PFT is still attempt only, with CFT and the other MATTs requiring a pass.

No?