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Redcoats versus modern Septic marines

#1
There's quite an interesting discussion on this over on the mil.com board at the moment.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7421994136/m/1060050112001

The argument is that 100 Septic marines, with just the ammo and other equipment they can lug, could go back in time and defeat the British Army (apparently there were something like 112,000 of them there) in the Septic Uprising that led to independence.

Anybody like to join in, or give me a few arguments I can lob into the mix?

MsG
 
#2
Bugsy said:
Anybody like to join in, or give me a few arguments I can lob into the mix?
They carry 1120 bullets each as standard load - what's that? 37 magazines? A kill (or enough) with every hit, easy. And, of course, a Yank marine never, ever misses and none of them are going to get killed, trip over their bootlaces, or break down weeping because there's no Tabasco in their MREs before they have used each and every round they carry.

Hmm, I'd leave them to their delusions.
 
#3
with the septics tactics of spray and pray, i'm betting they'd be out of ammo well before they could slot 112,000 of our lot.

Also our lads weren't stupid, they had artillery and knew how to dig trenches and build brestworks so they could quite happily sit there dug in, lobbing 8lb cannon balls at the strange haircutted meat headed brain dead tools who were busy turning rounds into brass.
 
#5
Simple answer is no, not if they carry what they take.
I like how 4th post down it "deviates" from who would win in a scrap today....o_O
 
#6
callum13 said:
Simple answer is no, not if they carry what they take.
I like how 4th post down it "deviates" from who would win in a scrap today....o_O
Yeah, I noticed that too, Cal. I intend addressing it when the OP gets back on the thread. Should be fun!

MsG
 
#7
Yep that's right. No dramas.

Just mention Mogadishu and Black Hawk down to them. I know it wasn't marines but...

The Somalians weren't trained soldiers, had shit equipment and re-supply and still saw off 140 well trained soldiers, dragging some of the dead through the streets. IIRC they were saved by the Pakistanis!
 
#8
Northern Monkey said:
Yep that's right. No dramas.

Just mention Mogadishu and Black Hawk down to them. I know it wasn't marines but...

The Somalians weren't trained soldiers, had s*** equipment and re-supply and still saw off 140 well trained soldiers, dragging some of the dead through the streets. IIRC they were saved by the Pakistanis!
And thats probably the point at which bugsy will get banned.
 
#10
Or, if you want it look at it another way, a couple of Apache aren't going to rout 112,000 soldiers. It wouldn't do it to us and, recent adventures included, we're probably not as tough or as used to seeing our mates blown apart as some of our predecessors.

How many marines does it take to keep a couple of helo's in the air? You've a goodly percentage of your 100 bodies off the rifleman orbat for every twirly rotored beast.
 
#12
Hello Bugsy,

someone (the U.S. Army if I recall correctly) worked out that the Americans expended 200,000 rounds of 5.56mm for every kill in Vietnam.
On that basis,100 marines would need to carry 2,000 rounds each to get one kill,or 224,000,000 rounds each to wipe out all of the red coats.
As each 5.56mm round weighs about 10 grammes,that would come to 2,240,000 kg or 2,240 tonnes of ammunition per man.
Which is a lot more than they can carry.

Have fun with them.


tangosix.
 
#14
And there was me thinking this was a discussion about a hypothetical battle between the staff of Butlin's and the US Army. I'd definately want to see that!
 
#16
Now, my personal opinion is that the Redcoats would win. not only do they have sheer volume on their side, they also have the advantage of being able to completely surround the marines and starve them out. Alongside that, the redcoats also have artillery. i think... that would make the Marines royally F*CKED
 
#17
as has been said before, the whole thing assumes that the marines are hitting leathal shots with every round. if we look at it as straight soldier v soldier then the american marine has the advantage, as they have automatic weapons, carry grenades as part of regular kit ect, plus also people are physicaly in better shape than in those days. (not that I'm saying the redcoats where badly fed, but food in those days was not a plentyful or avilable as it was in those days, and physical training regimes are a larger part of the soldiers training.) but the discusion isn't on this level. it ignores artillery, tactics, all naval aspects of any battle, and the fact that any marine wandering round the US in those days is just as likely to be shot at by local farmers, who think their some kind of devil (they didn't know about aliens yet)
 
#18
At first I thought that this was a stupid hypothetical question, but then I decided to put the question to the test with a good ole fashionned computer simulation.

Using my trusty copy of OpFlash, and a downloaded Napoleonic Wars mod, I set 10 modern US Marines (well, late '90s) against 200 Napoleonic Wars Light Infantry (I wanted to do a full-scale recreation, but my computer couldn't handle it) to see who would REALLY win.

Sadly, in my simulation, the USMC are outnumbered by a paltry 20 to 1, not 1000 to 1, and the entire battle is scaled down. Also, there are a few inaccuracies i.e. the British are 30 years out in terms of weapons etc.



Editted to add - In my simulation the USMC killed about 70% of the British, but were ultimately slaughtered, so we can all go home and feel superior, whether we are brit or septic.
 

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#20
Hello iamalondoncrab,

nice idea,can you make it 1 marine versus 200 redcoats (green coats in this case!)?
Just to get the odds closer to the question posed.


tangosix.
 

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