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Red Arrows E-Petition

#1
Just got this response from El Presidente Bliar....

E-petition: response from the Prime Minister

The e-petition asking the Prime Minister to "continue funding for the Royal Air Force Aerobatics Team - The Red Arrows" is on-going. This is a response in advance of the closing date from the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

Thank you for signing the petition on the No.10 website calling for the maintenance of the Red Arrows. It is a sign of the place they hold in the national affections that so many people have joined you in signing it - one of the highest numbers since the e-petition service began. That's why I wanted to reply personally. It's also why I am replying before the petition officially closes, in order to reassure people who are clearly concerned.

I am pleased to be able to give you good news. There are no plans to change the funding for the Red Arrows, let alone to disband them.

It is important, of course, that the MOD looks at the full range of its spending plans as part of its routine financial planning, to ensure that taxpayers' money is spent where our Armed Forces most need it. Obviously it is this review which prompted fears that the Red Arrows might be scrapped.

However, like you, the Government recognises just what an important role the Red Arrows play in our national life. As the world's premier aerobatic team, they have thrilled millions of spectators over many years. I was lucky enough to see their extraordinary skills myself only last year at the Farnborough Air Show.

More importantly, the Red Arrows have maintained public support for the Royal Air Force, encouraged recruitment, acted as ambassadors for Britain in the world and promoted British industry for many years. So I am pleased to assure you that this government fully intends to keep the Red Arrows flying.

Thank you for signing this petition, and I hope you get a chance to see the Red Arrows yourself soon.

Yours sincerely,
Tony Blair
That'll be the carriers getting scrapped then to fund them!
 
#4
If we just paint those otherwise useless but highly manueverable EuroFighters red, problem solved!
 
#5
the_matelot said:
Just got this response from El Presidente Bliar....

E-petition: response from the Prime Minister

The e-petition asking the Prime Minister to "continue funding for the Royal Air Force Aerobatics Team - The Red Arrows" is on-going. This is a response in advance of the closing date from the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

Thank you for signing the petition on the No.10 website calling for the maintenance of the Red Arrows. It is a sign of the place they hold in the national affections that so many people have joined you in signing it - one of the highest numbers since the e-petition service began. That's why I wanted to reply personally. It's also why I am replying before the petition officially closes, in order to reassure people who are clearly concerned.

I am pleased to be able to give you good news. There are no plans to change the funding for the Red Arrows, let alone to disband them.

It is important, of course, that the MOD looks at the full range of its spending plans as part of its routine financial planning, to ensure that taxpayers' money is spent where our Armed Forces most need it. Obviously it is this review which prompted fears that the Red Arrows might be scrapped.

However, like you, the Government recognises just what an important role the Red Arrows play in our national life. As the world's premier aerobatic team, they have thrilled millions of spectators over many years. I was lucky enough to see their extraordinary skills myself only last year at the Farnborough Air Show.

More importantly, the Red Arrows have maintained public support for the Royal Air Force, encouraged recruitment, acted as ambassadors for Britain in the world and promoted British industry for many years. So I am pleased to assure you that this government fully intends to keep the Red Arrows flying.

Thank you for signing this petition, and I hope you get a chance to see the Red Arrows yourself soon.

Yours sincerely,
Tony Blair
That'll be the carriers getting scrapped then to fund them!

And what would the modern navy with it's modern ethos do with new carriers anyway?

They would be all but useless in percieved operational regions where the water was shallow or the wind was blowing in the wrong direction now wouldn't they?

Wouldn't want to run the risk of the IRGC capturing one of these and humiliating the nation again now would we?
 
#6
Arandale said:
And what would the modern navy with it's modern ethos do with new carriers anyway?

They would be all but useless in percieved operational regions where the water was shallow or the wind was blowing in the wrong direction now wouldn't they?

Wouldn't want to run the risk of the IRGC capturing one of these and humiliating the nation again now would we?
Ah yes, it's the Maritime Warfare specialist with the OSA breaking Uncle who used to work in SIGINT.....

Get back in your box troll.
 
#7
Blokeonabike said:
If we just paint those otherwise useless but highly manueverable EuroFighters red, problem solved!
Genius!! Doubles all round......
 
#8
I hope you get a chance to see the Red Arrows yourself soon
Better make it REAL soon as things are often subject to change.
 
#9
mistersoft said:
I hope you get a chance to see the Red Arrows yourself soon
Better make it REAL soon as things are often subject to change.
Nah ... the Reds have been on the LTC chop-list for decades.
Good Crab PR, proves they can do something.
Euro-thingy-Phoon is too expensive to operate in this role anyway.
 
#10
I'm not convinced the Red Arrows actually achieve anything. After watching them once, you've seen them forever.

Frankly, when the RAF are into all this "lean" manning nonsense whilst the rest of the Defence budget leaks away, funding for a group of non-operational airframes to amuse children at Air Shows around the world (and judging by the lack of Commenwealth personnel within the RAF, they ain't attracting many enquiries at the RAF Recruiting Office) is bonkers.

Don't get me started on the Typhoon............. transport aircraft that are unreliable, too few SH, The Red Arrows, a fighter designed for the Cold War............... I think somewhere the RAF have lost their way.
 
#11
Big Kahoona said:
I'm not convinced the Red Arrows actually achieve anything. After watching them once, you've seen them forever.
Concur ... although having seen them a couple of times [max, unless you're a nurd] it does give you the cahnce to get away from the car park before the rest of the "adoring public".

However ... they are good PR as far as "Joe Public" is concerned. Does the RTR have a "Tank Display Team"? "The Green Elephants" or something like that? Bu**ers up the display arena, though .. perhaps not. :wink:
 
#12
Red Toucanos?
 
#14
I was thinking more on the lines of the Para Regt "Milling Display Team", perhaps it's best displays of "milling" proficiency were seen in the Rat Pit circa 1985.

Still, I'd pay gladly to watch the Milling Display Team take on the Red Arrows........... dreams.... :cheers:
 
#15
PartTimePongo said:
Red Toucanos?
Please don't tempt them.

Otherwise some recently de-frocked member of the Nobility will
" discover" a number of pre-owned Austers at the back of a QMs shed near the Clatfords

Het presto! the Red Parakeets,

then I suppose they could always look to the old De Havilland fleet for the
Red Beavers

BTW: What happened to the Avro Bishop
 
#16
adastra said:
PartTimePongo said:
Red Toucanos?
Please don't tempt them.
Otherwise some recently de-frocked member of the Nobility will
" discover" a number of pre-owned Austers at the back of a QMs shed near the Clatfords
Het presto! the Red Parakeets,
then I suppose they could always look to the old De Havilland fleet for the
Red Beavers
BTW: What happened to the Avro Bishop
Ah, The Macaws, Yellowjacks, Black Arrows, Blue Diamonds, Green Peas ... those were the days. 8)

The Avro Bishop was de-frocked ... the formation choirboys caused offense with his congregation. That was, of course, before in-flight refuelling became the norm. :wink:
 
#17
I would like to think that you are missing the point a little bit here...It is well known that the Red Arrows are in fact an advertising wing for BAEs..who in turn are a wing of the Uk Gov... If you look at the tours that the Red Arrows complete overseas, you will see a trend of those overseas countries placing orders for equipment with BAEs...Therefore giving big G Brown more money in his coffers.. Therefore the Red Arrows will never be grounded...Therefore good PR for the Gov by saving them early.....Therefore the end...
 
#18
bigspanner said:
I would like to think that you are missing the point a little bit here...It is well known that the Red Arrows are in fact an advertising wing for BAEs..who in turn are a wing of the Uk Gov... If you look at the tours that the Red Arrows complete overseas, you will see a trend of those overseas countries placing orders for equipment with BAEs...Therefore giving big G Brown more money in his coffers.. Therefore the Red Arrows will never be grounded...Therefore good PR for the Gov by saving them early.....Therefore the end...
Borrocks!

They are Crab-Air PR. Small boys in short trousers want to be one of those "Magnificent Men etc". Joe Public with his tiny brain thinks ... "Ah, we have an RAF, aren't they pretty". Nobody out there knows about the shed-load of Chinooks that can't be used, nobody does the sums over Euro-Phoon, because they don't think that way.

The "Reds" are a flower arrangement to make people who are easily influenced go "OOOh ... Aaah", and if you think that major Aerospace deals are done by people like that you really ought to talk to your doctor.
 
#19
Let them have one season in 9 shiney red typhoons, then make them perform in old series three landrovers

Shirking backsliders
 
#20
minister_doh_nut said:
Let them have one season in 9 shiney red typhoons, then make them perform in old series three landrovers
Shirking backsliders
Nice to see a real tit surface. Missed you, pal! Have you checked my PM to your alter-ego?

No doubt you have performed in the back of a Srs 3 Landrover. Was it animal, vegetable or mineral?

I want to know where the dancing tanks are hiding. Why doesn't the Royal Army have a Tank Display Team?
 

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