In the olden days (swing...) the training process used to involve a large element of selection. 75% of my original squad failed to make it as far as the passing out parade; some were unsuited for Army life and left during Basic; others were unable to make the grade during trade training, and were given the option of re-allocating to another capbadge. (some decided to make a new career in Sy Ply ). Those who made it through 8 months in Ashford, getting as far as the passing out parade, felt as if they had achieved something - partly because so many were found unsuitable and fell by the wayside. Now as i understand it, the modern system places certain demands upon training instructors. The onus is on training as many as possible to get through the course, rather than weeding out those who are clearly struggling to make the grade. In basic for instance, i have heard such figures as 95% of recruits who turn up for phase 1 training being required to make it through to pass-off. This means that instructors are pressured into ensuring that even the really weak recruits are "trained" (in the non-Few Good Men way ) and get through to passout, however much extra work, extra chances and backsquadding this may take... I have no idea if such a quota system / guideline exists for trade training at quicksands as well... I completely understand the financial motivation behind ensuring that as many as possible of those young innocents who turn up on day one get churned out at the other end of the training process. however, i feel that over the last few years, i have seen juniors who would never have made it through the training / selection process "in my day" . people whose trade skills are just not up to scratch. they have clearly been allowed to slip through the net, with the assumption that they will "catch up" when they get to their unit. some do; some should never have been allowed to become lance corporals in the intelligence corps. do others feel that this modern attitude to "training", with very little or no element of "selecting" those suitable, has led to a dilution in the standard of some JNCOs coming into the Corps at the end of their A3?