Recruitment help appreciated.

Sixty

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#1
Right chaps. Apologies in advance if this is a really obvious question.

As some (well, one) of you know, I’m currently going through the TA application process and have been referred to the RLC (230 Transport).

It was my intention to join as an officer but I’ve just been informed that at 31, I’m too old to be considered, although I can join as a soldier. I don’t have a problem with this but was wondering if it was possible to re-apply for officer selection once in for a reasonable length of time?

I would just phone the AO but it’s too late at night. Any help appreciated. Still at a very early stage of the process but I’d like some idea.

Cheers

SFD
 
#2
Why RLC? There is a very good Signals sqn near you and the money is far better. As for the officer thing...doubt it, me thinks your too old as you have said.
 

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devilish said:
Why RLC? There is a very good Signals sqn near you and the money is far better. As for the officer thing...doubt it, me thinks your too old as you have said.

It wasn't my decision. Was referred there by Lowland House in Glasgow. My nearest unit is actually the infantry down in Broughton (I live in the Grassmarket) although signals are close as well, as you say.

No idea why I was pointed to the RLC.

SFD
 
#4
Nonsense, there was a guy on my course who was going for Officer and he was 36 so you're not too old.
 
#5
Signals unit you're on about is 61 Sig Sqn..my glorious unit. If you've got the right attitude and potential to go Officer they will help you out no problem, they're just putting me through for a laugh.
 
#6
Signals might be better for you. It has a variety of trades, even if your too old for officer Signals has a number of trades that can lead to this like Radio Sys Op or tech, both lead to Yeoman of Signals or Foreman of Signals (respectively), these in turn lead to officer posts of Traffic or TATO - would take some time but it'd be fun on the way.
 
#8
antphilip said:
Give abacus a PM, he'll probably be able to give you a general info on the officer thing sfd.
Cheers for the vote of confidence Ant. SFD proving he has Officer potential has already been in touch with yours truly - I assume I'm the one who knows - although his performance in Visual Utopia suggests that he a) knows his way around a map and b) can receive, act on and give quality instruction so think his brain may be too highly trained already :D

SFD, PM or email me your contact details and I will ask the Regt 2IC of the Regt you are joining (tonight?) to contact you to discuss possibility of Offr Trg. If he puts you forward, I know a training team who will be more than happy to take you on. (erm, allegedly, PERSEC and all that :oops:)

For the record, at 31 you are technically too old but provided you are fit enough, intelligent enough and want it badly enough we will apply to APC for a waiver to allow you to attend the Westbury Briefing and Boards. The rest is up to you.
 
#10
^Redcap tell us more - never heard of the specialist skill bit before (and pretty sure I would have) and not aware of any RTC turning away over-agers.

Edit for potentially being thick - do you mean PQOs?
 

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abacus said:
SFD proving he has Officer potential has already been in touch with yours truly - I assume I'm the one who knows - although his performance in Visual Utopia suggests that he a) knows his way around a map and b) can receive, act on and give quality instruction so think his brain may be too highly trained already :D
Thanks Abacus. Are you trying to give me a big head? :)

abacus said:
SFD, PM or email me your contact details and I will ask the Regt 2IC of the Regt you are joining (tonight?) to contact you to discuss possibility of Offr Trg. If he puts you forward, I know a training team who will be more than happy to take you on. (erm, allegedly, PERSEC and all that :oops:)
..and thanks for that too. I may well take you up on it in the near future when I'm a bit further forward (next up is my medical)

First night at the Sqdn tonight and was very impressed, they seem a good bunch of guys and girls. Feeling a good bit better about my fitness level too (no offence to the lad but one prosective recruit was 17 stone if he was a pound and only 20yrs old) All those mornings pounding round the Meadows must be working!

SFD
 
#12
Sixtyfootdoll said:
I may well take you up on it in the near future when I'm a bit further forward (next up is my medical)
Don't hang around, get your medical as soon as you can and then get onto a (probably Grantham) CMS(R) at the EARLIEST possible opportunity. If you get onto the next TAOC by end October - and you're good enough (big head stuff was only to hook you - now we play hard to get and land you :grin:) - I reckon we can get you to RMAS during 06. Remember age not a barrier to a Sandhurst pass if you are fit enough, intelligent enough, have the right attitude and are determined enough but it could be a problem for you making the promotion windows around 10 years from now.

Sixtyfootdoll said:
First night at the Sqdn tonight and was very impressed, they seem a good bunch of guys and girls.
They certainly are - in fact they are easily the 2nd best Sqn in the Regt and you can tell them an Ayrshireman said that ;)

Sixtyfootdoll said:
Feeling a good bit better about my fitness level too (no offence to the lad but one prosective recruit was 17 stone if he was a pound and only 20yrs old) All those mornings pounding round the Meadows must be working!
They'll soon work that off him. Bit of a misconception in TA fitness - it's probably more important for a Driver to be fit than a line infantryman because fit drivers don't fall asleep at the wheel. Being RLC, of course, half the sods spend half the year on skis at Her Maj's expense: another advantage to keeping yourself fit.

Regardless of cap-badge, it's obviously important for everyone to be fit, and especially important for Potential Officers. (switches to block caps to make a point) THE LAST SENTENCE WAS A HINT!
 
#13
Ah I love the lack of quality of info being passed around here. Abacus knows the exact rules for entry. I also know them as I was over 31 and there were Three of us who were the wrong side of 30 one was 36. If you need help feel free to give me a call, if you pm me I will phone you off line. I am currently helping one over age chap who is a Depo join our Regt he is 32.
As Abacus says if you are strong of mind and body then you will be fine. There are many good Regt's in Scotland, however we have the strongest Corps Officers mess in Scotland and have a high rate of RMAS passes. Currently I alone have 7 Ocdts going through the TAOCC system. This is also the only way you will get to RMAS.
I look forward to speaking to you soon.

230 Sqn has a very healthy Officer plot whihc is what you need to help you through the system.
 

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#14
Abacus & evilone.

Cheers guys, appreciate it. Will be in touch once I get through my medical which I'll do ASAP (should be fine as no problems that I'm aware of)

Abacus,

I'm particularly aware of the fitness levels involved and have been concentrating on that recently. Mainly running, cycling and swimming. I was probably guilty of it as well but I get the impression from talking to friends that they assumed the TA wasn't that demanding physically (pretty sure it's an misonception that hacks most TA bods off) but I can certainly put them right now :)


The desire is there as well and I should be fine academically, although dusting down the old diplomas was somewhat depressing :-(

SFD
 
#15
you will be fine! However you are correct to ensure that your Phys is upto the mark. TAOCC has been designed to sort minor problems Phys wise but the fitter you are the easier it will ALL be.

Good luck and We will speak to you soon.
 
#16
abacus said:
^Redcap tell us more - never heard of the specialist skill bit before (and pretty sure I would have) and not aware of any RTC turning away over-agers.

Edit for potentially being thick - do you mean PQOs?

Eligibility FAQs
Q. Am I too old or too young to join?
A. You need to be at least 17 years old in order to join the TA. The upper age limit depends on what you have to offer but it is normally 30 for those joining as an officer and 32 as a soldier. There are exceptions to the upper age limit for those with certain specialist skills or previous military experience.

from:

http://www.ta.mod.uk/faqs.html
 
#17
^Thanks for clarifying the reference Redcap - it seemed too specific to be wrong (coming from your good self ;)) Clearly PQOs would come into this category.

Further exceptions can be applied for in specific cases as I hope I have been able to make clear. Any Training Wing staff who want to compare notes on what works, what doesn't and who is likely to pass feel free to pm me.
 
#18
im sorry invisible helper but made enquiries for HCA in tams strensil tell me im above their recruitment ceiling as its 35 its limit,does,nt matter that i have 20 years nursing ex,but if i had the magic RGN qualification i can join up to 50 years old.i am 42 and found out that people can join at a late age and when i look into the field i am experienced in,im told sorry,i am fed up of being on the side lines when i could be doing some good.so im gonna take the advice from the guys who answered my post (am i too old to rejoin.)and try the local TA centers, knowing my luck i am likely to get the same reply as tams but im not going to go down with out a fight.anyone got any advice for me cos im gonna need it .so the moral of this reply is that you can be too old to join.
 
#19
Gents,

Go and see your RAOWO and get a copy of the TROVE cd.

TA Regs, Para 4.013 refers

Maximum age
(1) A candidate is not normally to be accepted for a commissioned appointment if his age exceeds that given in the table at Annex C/4. Exceptions may be made on the authority of the Ministry of Defence (Army) personnel branch, following recommendations of the Div/Dist Commander or Commander TA/CVHQ as appropriate. Candidates granted an age waiver for a commissioned appointment will initially be granted a 3 year commission after which the extension rules laid down in para 4.164 apply.

Hope this helps, confirms what has been said.
 

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