It's still fuc8ing illegal!!watto135 said:my unit does it as well MSRmsr said:
It is only illegal if they actually withold the bounty. Using the threat to try and generate attendance at key weekends is not illegal (possibly immoral) but if the funds are not withheld, then no harm no foul.Dont_Fear_The_Reaper said:It's still fuc8ing illegal!!watto135 said:my unit does it as well MSRmsr said:
Dukester, I take my hat off to people like you.............for I also am one!The_Duke said:DFTR,
I have had the benefit of working for both types! My point is that in eSel's example, it sounds like the trust is not there, hence they are not attending. The best people to break that cycle are the Toms. Once they have experienced the reality meeting up with the advertising, it should become self fulfilling.
I am now in the position of planning and providing the training for our subunit, and have had to enjoy all of the benefits of doing the work for a good exercise and then have 6 toms to turn up.
We are definately turning the corner, and word of mouth within the soldiers network is definately the way forward.
Sir Duke, had I have seen this post beforer replying to your previous, my taken off hat would have remained securely attached!!!The_Duke said:It is only illegal if they actually withold the bounty. Using the threat to try and generate attendance at key weekends is not illegal (possibly immoral) but if the funds are not withheld, then no harm no foul.Dont_Fear_The_Reaper said:It's still fuc8ing illegal!!watto135 said:my unit does it as well MSRmsr said:
Duke, you work for Ford motor company, signed up to their requirements and do your job. Boss rolls in Monday morning, says he doesn't agree with what the Ford Motor Co board agreed and now wants to move the goalposts! Ford Motor Co on the other hand, haven't changed your terms of service, nor instructed your boss to move the goalposts!The_Duke said:I knew that would start a riot! I abide by TA regs, but I do not get myself tied up in knots over things like this.
We also have these weekends. A soldier must force himself to do 4 out 0f 9 selected weekends. Jump into Arnhem for the annual remembrance service, go on a Bn airborne exercise, show off doing security at the London marathon, remembrance weekend etc etc etc. Anyone who does not attend these sorts of weekends is also highly unlikely to have done enough training to meet their bounty requirements anyway.
They could not uphold the threats, and both the CoC and the barrack room lawyers know it. It is an idle threat, but with good intentions.....
just like all of those SNCOs that claim to take officers behind the vehicle sheds to "sort them out". Lots of talk, rarely ever happens.
Input? Well, writing the damn thing certainly seemed like input to me. As I did for all NRPS staff and, at one time for Reg PSI's as well (thereafter reverting to 'input' to Trg Maj).Blyth_spirit said:
I was, actuallement - but after a blow thingy, I feel a lot better.The_Duke said:You must be having a bad hair day today WT!Wingletang said:
I am with eSel on this one. If the OC/SPSI/PSAO phones Pte Buggins and tells him that the training will be great, and he must come in, he is likely to treat them with a healthy dose of scepticism.
If his mate phones him up, tells him he just missed a cracking weekend, and is he coming in for the next one because it is OBUA and the more blokes the better then a much better response could be expected.
The onus is on the CofC to provide interesting and worthwhile training, but the best people to get the soldiers in is other satisfied soldiers.
The public perception of the TA, perhaps even the way the army views the TA.Mr_Relaxed said:The thing that struck me the other day was a post (I forget by who) that said the TA had 10 DIVISIONS at one point in the 50's.
Accepted that some of this was from National Servicemen who were perhaps notional attendees, but what happened to 10 Divisions worth of men? What changed?