Recent found docs implicate Kerry in colluding with N. Viet

#1
Recently discovered documents connect Kerry's anti-war activities in the 1970's with North Vietnam's agenda. It also implicates Kerry with not only meeting with NV reps more then once but also taking direction from them in a effort to undermine US policy...if this doesn't prove treason it sure as heel comes close. 8O

full story at: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41106
 
#3
MrPVRd said:
How does this compare (if true) with Dubya flying the Bin Laden family out of the States after 11 Sep 01?
It doesn't
1) Bush didn't fly them out
2) the bin Laden family was not complicit in the attack...only Usama was complicit in the attack.

:? :? :?

Very confused at what your point is :roll:
 
#4
MrPVRd said:
How does this compare (if true) with Dubya flying the Bin Laden family out of the States after 11 Sep 01?
It doesn't because it never happened. yet another Michael Moore "exclusive" that turned out to be a big fat lie!

without putting too fine a point on it:

Saudi Departures from United States

Deceits 11-14

Moore is guilty of a classic game of saying one thing and implying another when he describes how members of the Saudi elite were flown out of the United States shortly after 9/11.

If you listen only to what Moore says during this segment of the movie—and take careful notes in the dark—you’ll find he’s got his facts right. He and others in the film state that 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country after Sept. 13.

The date—Sept. 13—is crucial because that is when a national ban on air traffic, for security purposes, was eased

But nonetheless, many viewers will leave the movie theater with the impression that the Saudis, thanks to special treatment from the White House, were permitted to fly away when all other planes were still grounded. This false impression is created by Moore’s failure, when mentioning Sept. 13, to emphasize that the ban on flights had been eased by then. The false impression is further pushed when Moore shows the singer Ricky Martin walking around an airport and says, "Not even Ricky Martin would fly. But really, who wanted to fly? No one. Except the bin Ladens."

But the movie fails to mention that the FBI interviewed about 30 of the Saudis before they left. And the independent 9/11 commission has reported that "each of the flights we have studied was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional manner prior to its departure."
see http://www.davekopel.org/Terror/Fif...t-911.htm#Saudi_Departures_from_United_States for a rebuttal of Moore.
 
#5
I think the point is that as the US election draws ever closer there seems to be a constant stream of documents seemingly aimed at helping one or other of the candidates. Us cynical Brits point to the way that they are on message and released at tactically useful times and reach the conclusion that a lot of very smart people are ruthlessly exploiting the good natures of the American people for their own ends. After all, if they are exposed as fakes post-election who cares ?

And that does not make me a Kerry supporter by the way, nor do I support Bush. Frankly it amazes me that a country like yours can find no-one better than those two wastes of genetic material as candidates. Neither of them does you any credit, nor do they adequately reflect the calibre of Americans I've worked with.
 
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Double post
 
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One_of_the_strange said:
Frankly it amazes me that a country like yours can find no-one better than those two wastes of genetic material as candidates. Neither of them does you any credit, nor do they adequately reflect the calibre of Americans I've worked with.
Actually there are about four others running. all left out of debates, and hardly ever mentioned by mainstream media

Now, remind me again who will be running in Britain's next election.....
 

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RCSignals said:
One_of_the_strange said:
Frankly it amazes me that a country like yours can find no-one better than those two wastes of genetic material as candidates. Neither of them does you any credit, nor do they adequately reflect the calibre of Americans I've worked with.
Actually there are about four others running. all left out of debates, and hardly ever mentioned by mainstream media

Now, remind me again who will be running in Britain's next election.....

Touché RCS !
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#9
RCSignals said:
One_of_the_strange said:
Frankly it amazes me that a country like yours can find no-one better than those two wastes of genetic material as candidates. Neither of them does you any credit, nor do they adequately reflect the calibre of Americans I've worked with.
Actually there are about four others also running.

Now remind me again, who will be running in Britain?
I wouldn't p@ss on any of ours either, but that's not the point.
 
#10
Neither Bush nor Kerry emerge from the Vietnam War with an enormous amount of unassailable credit.

Kerry served for four months in combat, but would anyone compare swift boat service on the Mekong with foot-slogging further in-country? He had a 'good war', unlike many.

Bush opted to serve in the Air National Guard, knowing full well that he was not going to see action. As the son of a Second World War veteran, he could have done better. Even then I imagine that either George would have been harbouring political ambitions for George W., so from a purely cynically political viewpoint he should have volunteered for Vietnam.

Kerry so loved his 'band of brothers' that he availed of the option of going home eight months early after he 'won' his third purple heart. An officer with an overriding sense of duty should have seen out his tour. Whatever about his Vietnam service, his behavious after he returned was disgraceful. His testimony to the Foreign Relations Committe effectively blackened the name of all American veterans of Vietnam. Many of those he associated with in the anti-war movement were not veterans at all, as subsequent investigations have proven. As a junior officer, serving in swift boats for four months, I find it difficult to believe how he could have witnessed and heard of the numerous and varied atrocities which he testified about. Whether intentional or not, he should have known that the anti-war movement was giving encouragement to the enemy. He also should have known that the North Vietnamese used negotiations as a classic Marxist stalling tactic in order to weaken their enemies' resolve and gain strategic advantage. At the very least he was enormously naive.

Neither man is particularly appealing, but Kerry strikes me a as morally weak poseur. I know what Bush is like - I don't think either America or the West can afford the luxury of waiting to see what Kerry will be like.
 
#12
ctauch said:
Recently discovered documents connect Kerry's anti-war activities in the 1970's with North Vietnam's agenda
must.....clutch.......at........straw..........
rubbishing his military record didnt work, if this one doesnt you can start the rumour that he fired the first round on bloody sunday. :roll:
 
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Filbert Fox said:
ctauch said:
Recently discovered documents connect Kerry's anti-war activities in the 1970's with North Vietnam's agenda
must.....clutch.......at........straw..........
rubbishing his military record didnt work, if this one doesnt you can start the rumour that he fired the first round on bloody sunday. :roll:
But hasn't that sort of thing got a track record of garnering support from the US electorate ?
 
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Filbert Fox said:
ctauch said:
Recently discovered documents connect Kerry's anti-war activities in the 1970's with North Vietnam's agenda
must.....clutch.......at........straw..........
rubbishing his military record didnt work, if this one doesnt you can start the rumour that he fired the first round on bloody sunday. :roll:
Bah, he rubbished his own military record
 
#15
but apparently he was the mastermind behind the Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands back in 1982.
 
#16
Filbert Fox said:
but apparently he was the mastermind behind the Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands back in 1982.
Is that why it failed?
 
#17
"Colluding" means that they co-operated to do something specific. It's not a synonym for "meet". That's why Sinn Fein are always going about "collusion" in NI.
 
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gallowglass said:
Bush opted to serve in the Air National Guard, knowing full well that he was not going to see action. As the son of a Second World War veteran, he could have done better. Even then I imagine that either George would have been harbouring political ambitions for George W., so from a purely cynically political viewpoint he should have volunteered for Vietnam.
But at that point, noone could have predicted that the American public (who were, after all, engaged in trying to bring down a president for being pro-Vietnam) would change its mind and try to reconcile themselves with their shabby treatment of the returning veterans.

The release of movies like The Deer Hunter and Platoon started or perhaps amplified a swell of collective remorse which led to the social and political rehabilitation of Vietnam vets. Only then was it morally acceptable to say 'Yes, I served in the 'Nam' at which point it became clear that most political aspirants had backed the wrong horse (Clinton, Dubya et al).

Since this process didn't gain momentum until the early eighties, the politically shrewd decision at the time would have been to serve Uncle Sam without becoming associated with South East Asia.

To say that volunteering for Vietnam was a shrewd political move is to credit the pretender to the White House with a degree of farsightedness that I do not believe he had.
 
#20
8O Despite what many of you who have posted on tis thread might or might not think, this is a good time to inform you that a petition has been delivered to the United States Senate, replete with more than 180,000 signatures, to bring John F. Kerry up on charges of Treason. It was delivered on October 19, 2004. I repeat that there were more than 180,000 signatures on this petition. You know, of course, that there is no statute of limitations on Treason? Just thought you'd like to know.
 

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