Recent Afghan deployment notices.

#1
[/quote]The Ministry of Defence is also expected to announce that Britain's 3 Commando Brigade will take over from 16 Air Assault Brigade in six months' time.
Will 3 Commando Brigade include 1 Rifles as a fourth manoeuvre element, or is it too early?
 
#3
Not too early. 1 Rifles will be part of 3 Cdo from 1st April.
 
#5
Aren't they supposed to be working out the composition of Herrick 10 and 11 soon?
Also, am I to take it that this means the disputes between the Marines and the Rifles over what 1 RIFLES will do within 3 Brigade have been resolved? Or was that just rumours/tabloid trash?
 
#6
I thought 1 RIRISH were going out soon? Yet they are part of the 16 Air
Assault thats getting rotated. How does that work?
 
#7
Yes the Royal Irish Regiment is deploying as part of 16 Air Assault Brigade. Funny thing though the Royal Irish Regiment is and has been a member of this brigade on and off since its inseption. peolpe need to bare in mind that 16 Air Assault is not made up of cherry berets alone also included in the Brigade is 5 Scots(Argylls) and other supporting arms. if we want to start theowing weight around just ask the question. As part of the liberation of IRAQ which battalion on merit was the lead Air Assault Battalion to cross the border? clue... It wasnt a para battalion.
 

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#8
gunnerdrummer said:
cross the border? clue... It wasnt a para battalion.
True. 1 RIRISH and 3 Para drove across the border hot on the heels of a USMC task force. 1 Para was held back for an air assault task onto an airfield, which was subsequently scrubbed due the objective becoming redundant.

Try not to draw too big a conclusion from the order in which a very large brigade followed an even larger division into a mostly empty bit of desert.
 
#9
Rusty
am I to take it that this means the disputes between the Marines and the Rifles over what 1 RIFLES will do within 3 Brigade have been resolved? Or was that just rumours/tabloid trash?
The minister made it clear at the outset what 1 Rifles Role would be in a answer to a question in parliament almost a year ago.

He said.

Detailed planning by Army and Navy staffs and the MOD for the attachment of a fourth manoeuvre unit to 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines has been on-going since May 2005. Following my announcement to the House on 29 January 2007, Official Report, column 4WS, a joint Army and Navy working group is taking forward the planning and implementation of the attachment of 1 Rifles to 3 Commando Brigade from 1 April 2008.

1 Rifles will not undertake the Lead Commando Group role but will carry out the role of secondary assault wave manoeuvre unit in the same manner as other Commando Units.

There is no requirement for 1 Rifles personnel to attend a pre-course or to undertake the full all arms commando course in order to carry out their role as the fourth manoeuvre unit for 3 Commando Brigade. Individuals may in the course of their individual career development apply for and attend the all arms commando course.

The attachment of 1 Rifles to 3 Commando Brigade will enable the Brigade to be both on standby for contingent operations while simultaneously providing units to the Current Operational Commitments Plot. This will increase the overall delivery of military capability in line with Defence Strategic Guidance. The integration of an Infantry Battalion into a strong coalition amphibious structure that includes the US Marine Corps and the Royal Netherland Marine Corps units will have wider Defence benefits. In addition, the co-operation and co-ordination of effort between the Army and Navy will bring benefits in terms of resource and information sharing in the training and education of soldiers and single service tactics, techniques and procedures. Army understanding of operations in the littoral environment will also be broadened.
As part of the the Joint Rapid Reaction Force (JRRF) the brigade retains a Lead Commando Group ready to deploy world-wide at very short notice.

Thought the entire statement was worth posting, but basically the only difference between the brigade tasks for 40, 42 and 45 Commando and 1 Rifles will be that 1 Rifles will not undertake the Lead Commando Group role.

Or so the minister has said, and he also pointed out that although this wasn't announced until early last year the planning has been ongoing since 2005.

I haven't heard anything via rumour control in regards opportunities outside of the battalion but within the brigade that might be open to individuals though even though the battalions role seems pretty clear.

Of course, how that will pan out on the ground remains to be seen as the Brigade Commander is going to have a bit of a job managing ego's and expectations.
 
#10
GwaiLo said:
As part of the the Joint Rapid Reaction Force (JRRF) the brigade retains a Lead Commando Group ready to deploy world-wide at very short notice.

Thought the entire statement was worth posting, but basically the only difference between the brigade tasks for 40, 42 and 45 Commando and 1 Rifles will be that 1 Rifles will not undertake the Lead Commando Group role.

Or so the minister has said, and he also pointed out that although this wasn't announced until early last year the planning has been ongoing since 2005.

I haven't heard anything via rumour control in regards opportunities outside of the battalion but within the brigade that might be open to individuals though even though the battalions role seems pretty clear.

Of course, how that will pan out on the ground remains to be seen as the Brigade Commander is going to have a bit of a job managing ego's and expectations.
The 1st "Infantry Quarterly" says that 1 RIFLES will be the 2nd Assault Echelon of 3 Cdo Bde allowing 3 Cdo Bde to maintain its Cdo role/tasks and have a unit on the OCP.
 
#11
barbs said:
The 1st "Infantry Quarterly" says that 1 RIFLES will be the 2nd Assault Echelon of 3 Cdo Bde allowing 3 Cdo Bde to maintain its Cdo role/tasks and have a unit on the OCP.
And what exactly does that mean?

T C
 
#12
1 Rifles stag-on, RM go be rufty-tufty?

Just throwing it out there
 
#13
Well that's what it looks like to me... But could they get away with that? Surely 1 Rifles would tell 'em where to stick it instead becoming a FP Battalion for 3 Bde.


T C
 
#14
Cpt_Darling said:
1 Rifles stag-on, RM go be rufty-tufty?

Just throwing it out there
In Afghanistan? The current line-up is five battle groups in the brigade there. 3 Commando Brigade will presumably take 42 and 45 Commandos and 1 Rifles with, so it will need two more battalions/regiments just to bring it up to the same strength as the current force (unless there is going to be a serious reduction in the force level there which seems highly unlikely). No battalion or regiment which has gone out there has just stagged-on.
 
#15
Well that was kind of my point. I can't see them being a FP Battalion, so what does 2nd Echelon mean? And yeah, who else is going with them? Will it be an extra 2 Inf battle groups bolted onto the Bde, using the Bde's CSS?

T C
 
#16
The_Cheat said:
Well that was kind of my point. I can't see them being a FP Battalion, so what does 2nd Echelon mean? And yeah, who else is going with them? Will it be an extra 2 Inf battle groups bolted onto the Bde, using the Bde's CSS?

T C
I would think 2nd Echelon refers to the second (or subsequent) wave in an amphibious landing ie. 1 Rifles would come ashore after the Commandos had landed. Of course this is pretty much irrelevant as far as Afghan ops are concerned.
 
#17
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3423413.ece

1 Rifles, consisting of 450 crack troops and support, will be deployed alongside 3 Commando Brigade of the Royal Marines in September.

The move, to be announced by Des Browne, the defence secretary, this summer, will mean that there will be more than 8,000 troops in Afghanistan - a significant upgrading of Britain’s fighting capability.

It heralds a tacit recognition by ministers and military chiefs that the situation in the province of Helmand is precarious and may deteriorate further if Britain’s presence is not reinforced.

Senior officers say the Rifles will fight alongside two other battalions of Royal Marines, which will take on the Taliban in Helmand this autumn.

The command of the Rifles is set to be transferred from the army to the navy in five weeks’ time.
Answers the original question anyway.
 
#18
from the same article - journalist's research at its best :roll:



The Rifles are a historic regiment which fought in the Napoleonic wars and at the battle of Balaclava. They became part of the Royal Green Jackets in 1966 but were reformed last year. Their exploits were dramatised in the ITV series Sharpe, in which Bean played the role of Richard Sharpe, a fictional British soldier in the Napoleonic wars.
 
#19
I'm only suprised that he didn't write that we wore Balaclava's.

At least he was in the ball park..sort of...nearly... ;-)
 

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