'Rebels' kill 26 Turkish soldiers

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BBC News - Kurdish rebels kill 26 Turkish soldiers in Hakkari

At least 26 Turkish soldiers have been killed in clashes with Kurdish rebels at police and army posts in south-east Turkey, the government says.

The attacks, in the mainly Kurdish province of Hakkari, are thought to have inflicted the biggest loss on Turkish security forces in years.

In response, Turkish troops are reported to have crossed into northern Iraq where the rebels are based.

President Abdullah Gul has vowed a "great vengeance".
Are these the kurds we liberated from Saddam? If so, I bet our military allies the Turks are grateful.....
 
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Kurds from Iraq cross the border into Turkey, kill 26+ Turkish soldier, and then run back to Iraq, and you say these kurds are not related to the kurds we liberated from Saddams Iraq... ?

Your wiki reference disagrees:

This main camp moved to north Iraq in 1998, under intensive pressure, after Syria expelled Ocalan and shut down all camps established in the region.[32] The organization moved its training camps to North Iraq where there was a vacuum of control after Operation Provide Comfort. Instead of one big training camp which could be easily destroyed, the organization established many small camps. During this period the organization set up a fully functioning enclave with training camps, storage facilities, and reconnaissance and communications centers.

In 2007, the organization was believed to have a number of camps strung out through the mountains that straddle the border between Turkey and Iraq, including in Sinaht, Haftanin, Kanimasi and Zap.[33] The organization has two types of camps, the border camps that were used as forward bases from which militants infiltrate into Turkey
 
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Kurds from Iraq cross the border into Turkey, kill 26+ Turkish soldier, and then run back to Iraq, and you say these kurds are not related to the kurds we liberated from Saddams Iraq... ?

Your wiki reference disagrees:
I'm saying these problems predate the Iraq war.
 
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I'm saying these problems predate the Iraq war.
I agree - there was a problem of seperatist rebels attacking Turkey and Iraq before we 'liberated' Iraq.

The point is we did 'liberate' the Kurds from Saddams brutal regime, leaving them free to attack our military ally Turkey.

The British army train with Turkish soldiers in the UK and today 26 of them were killed by Kurds that we provided with democracy.
 
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I know what your point is and I reckon it's overly simplistic and I daresay tedious.

I reckon the fact that the UK was kicking about in South Iraq 8 years ago doesn't have such a massive influence on this incident.
 
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I agree - there was a problem of seperatist rebels attacking Turkey and Iraq before we 'liberated' Iraq.

The point is we did 'liberate' the Kurds from Saddams brutal regime, leaving them free to attack our military ally Turkey.

The British army train with Turkish soldiers in the UK and today 26 of them were killed by Kurds that we provided with democracy.
We trained and fought alongside the Americans, but NORAID provided PIRA with enough weaponry to kill more than 26 of ours. I'm not trying to justify what's happened as I find it tragic, but we can play this 'loyalty' thing until the cows come home.
 
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Iraq should have been left alone in the first place, nothing to do with us or the US and Turkey is more than capable of looking after itself.
 
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BBC News - Kurdish rebels kill 26 Turkish soldiers in Hakkari



Are these the kurds we liberated from Saddam? If so, I bet our military allies the Turks are grateful.....
Yes to the first, but the KRG was practically autonomous before we went to Baghdad, the Kurds even managed to have a pretty lively civil war in the 90s.

On the second, the Turks had little time for Saddam and regarded toppling him as a foolish crusade that abused their relationship with DC, that said they were nowhere near as pissed off at the Saudis were on finding themselves nest to a state ruled by Shia untermensch.

On balance though it's now getting hard to say if Iran or Turkey were the big winners in that roll of the dice. Iran still has more cultural ties and soft power in Iraq but Turkey is not far behind. They are doing a lot of business in Iraq, the KRG included, the Islamist slanted AKP benefited fron the popular outrage and that war is part of the reason Turkey is emerging as the leading power in the region which on balance is a good thing, though the Israelis are not best pleased.

Such border scuffles are actually less common than they used to be in the 90s I think.
 
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BBC News - Kurdish rebels kill 26 Turkish soldiers in Hakkari



Are these the kurds we liberated from Saddam? If so, I bet our military allies the Turks are grateful.....
No these are Turkish Kurds not Iraqi Kurds.

Basically every time Kurdish rebels do something in Turkey the Turks bomb some hillsides in northern Iraq.

I just don't believe Turks have any saved up targets just waiting for the next attack. If they had real targets they would bomb them immediately. These attacks are largely just symbolic.

Mostly seems to just be propaganda for the Turkish public to distract them from the fact that they have a seemingly intractable conflict going on inside there border.
 
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Maybe if the Turks were slightly less dickish towards their Kurdish minority they wouldn't have such a large insurgency problem.
 
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Such border scuffles are actually less common than they used to be in the 90s I think.
Didn't 'we' encourage a kurdish insurrection in the build up to Gulf War I (2nd front & all that), then leave them out to dry after we changed our mind at the kuwait border?
 
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More muslims killing muslims,,,,,makes one weep crocodile tears.......
 
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Didn't 'we' encourage a kurdish insurrection in the build up to Gulf War I (2nd front & all that), then leave them out to dry after we changed our mind at the kuwait border?
Nope that was the Shias, Saddam was happily gassing the Kurds in the 1980s.
 
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Didn't 'we' encourage a kurdish insurrection in the build up to Gulf War I (2nd front & all that), then leave them out to dry after we changed our mind at the kuwait border?
Poppy Bush did encourage the Iraqi's to rise but so did the Iranians. As I recall there was something of an exodus into Turkey and then DC set up the NFZ and despite being knocked about by Saddam the Pesh set up the KAR and have held territory in Iraq ever since.

The KRG is a pretty successful entity run by competent gangsters and less threatening to the neighbors, who fear a secessionist movements in their large Kurdish populations, for remaining notionally part of Iraq. The Kurds say they have no friends but their mountains however they have been subject to quiet a lot of largesse from DC which has a naive affection for ethnic partitioning, it's not just the Kirkuk field, the Kurds are seen as natural Israeli allies.
 

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