rebadging

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  1. i am thinking about rebadging from the Royal Signal to the RAMC and have a few questions before i do.
    i am a LCpl on about £58/day

    1. will i loose any pay when i transfer across?
    2. will i loose my rank?
    3. i am 28 years old. will this be a problem for transfering?

    any help would be apprieciated.
    Cheers
     
  2. Dont do it :wink:.....seriously though what trade are you looking at?
     
  3. eventually i'd like to be a paramedic. have spoke to another medic i know and he recons it will take me about 2 years to acheive this assuming i do transfer.
     
  4. LWM, another willing volunteer to travel into our glorious future! :roll:

    good luck, it might take a little more than two years to get paramedic status. But I'm not a CMT so I will leave you with the learned CMT's who will help more than I can. :)
     
  5. ViroBono

    ViroBono LE Moderator

    If you want to be a paramedic, consider transferring to the RN or RAF. RN MAs are trained to paramedic levels - I don't know if they get IHCD recognition or State Registration. The RAF have just introduced a paramedic programme leading to State Registration - it will initially be for experienced Cpls and Sgts. I suspect you would be more likely to use clinical skills in the 'blue' services. But beware - there seems to be no effort made at posting CMTs/MAs in ways which best utilise their skills - MDHU admin depts are full of frustrated people whose skills are being allowed to fade.
     
  6. my main aim is to keep my existing daily rate if possible (not to bothered about my rank), and i've heard that if i go RAF or RN i will have to back to the start again and unfortunately i can't afford to do that.
     
  7. First of all, accreditation with the British Paramedic Association is being undertaken on a tri-Service basis. Professional development plans are being designed as we speak to both maintain professional standards within the CMT/MA cadres (which has tended, until now, to drop off from Sgt/PO level due to increasing management role and decreasing hands-on medical work) and to provide a modular package that will allow RAMC CMTs to achieve full paramedical status. This is early days in the process of design and development, but the BPA, Health Professions Council and Defence Medical Services Department have been talking for some time and it's definitely the way medical training in the Services is going.

    If I remember correctly, R SIGNALS LCpls are on the higher pay band under PAY 2000 (*hack, spit*) so until the next review you will most likely take a cut in pay, as CMTs are on the lower band for now. However, you will certainly not lose your rank. At DMSTC (the tri-Service medical training centre) we are perfectly accustomed to JNCOs coming back into Phase 2 training and several TFIs have enjoyed a kick-start to their RAMC career by being noticed at DMSTC as go-getters.

    Your age, likewise, is not a huge problem. You're at the upper end of the age band, but we've had trainees and TFIs in their 30s and - in at least one case - in his early 40s.

    If you're in the 4 Div South area, there's an Internal Transer Fayre at Princess Royal Barracks, Deepcut, on 14 Nov 04. If not, ask your RCMO for the dates of the next one in your area - it ought to be published on P1Os.

    Two final thoughts: the RAMC is currently suffering a dearth of Cpls, so if there's any chance of your getting promoted before you apply for transfer you would be snapped up in a New York second. Also, you may want to bear in mind the future (civvie) employment opportunities. As CMTs are not yet accredited paramedics, doing time as a CMT will not necessarily lead you comfortably into a civvie paramedic job, if that's what you had in mind (neither will RN or RAF medical training!). Your post-Army opportunities will be far better if you stay in the R SIGNALS. That said, if you want the full career a life in the RAMC is nothing like as bad as the cynics make out. :wink:

    IF
     
  8. [/quote]First of all, accreditation with the British Paramedic Association is being undertaken on a tri-Service basis. Professional development plans are being designed as we speak to both maintain professional standards within the CMT/MA cadres (which has tended, until now, to drop off from Sgt/PO level due to increasing management role and decreasing hands-on medical work) and to provide a modular package that will allow RAMC CMTs to achieve full paramedical status.
    This is early days in the process of design and development, but the BPA, Health Professions Council and Defence Medical Services Department have been talking for some time and it's definitely the way medical training in the Services is going.
    Two final thoughts: the RAMC is currently suffering a dearth of Cpls, so if there's any chance of your getting promoted before you apply for transfer you would be snapped up in a New York second.
    Also, you may want to bear in mind the future (civvie) employment opportunities. As CMTs are not yet accredited paramedics, doing time as a CMT will not necessarily lead you comfortably into a civvie paramedic job, if that's what you had in mind (neither will RN or RAF medical training!).
     
  9. ViroBono

    ViroBono LE Moderator

    Ideas factory is simply wrong to state that RAF paramedic training does not lead to civvie accreditation. As soon as I get back to work after leave I will post details of the policy letter.

    As far as I know DSMTC does not figure in this course; candidates are trained at NHS ambulance service training schools and have to spend substantial time working as part of an ambulance crew. It is initially intended to use the paramedics on DARTS and other areas where their skills will be utilised.

    Further, a number of NHS ambulance services actively recruit RN and RAF medics for fast-track pararmedic training - some will also accept Class 1 CMTs.
     
  10. I look forward to seeing the details of the course mentioned by ViroBono and will certainly bring it to the attention of the training development people at DMSTC.

    I didn't say that RAF MAs weren't accredited. All of DMSTC's training is accredited with the HPC and forms a part of the qualification required for full paramedic status. If the RAF offer courses to bring MAs up to full paramedic status, then that's fantastic and LWM is right to say that the Army ought to offer the same oppotunities.

    However - notwithstanding his inability to put "quote" markers in the right places - LWM's cynical attitude to life as a CMT is typical and not without justification. I, too, was shocked and disappointed by the tiny amount of time allowed to CMTs to practice their medical skills. I was particularly horrified by the decision at the highest level to end a programme of placements with the amublance services on the basis that it might encourage soldiers to leave the Army if they got a taste of civvie life in the paramedics!

    All I can promise is that there is a rising cadre of both doctors, nurses and MSOs in the AMS who have the will to change things. A drive towards full paramedical status will allow CMTs to participate as emergency services at PMEs, airshows and other events as well as involving themselves in CIMIC operations both in the UK and abroad.

    LMW is also typical, however, in placing the total burden of blame for skill fade upon the higher echelons. I know many CMTs who maintain skills and learn new ones by moonlighting (with permission) for BUPA. These and others also subscribe to trade journals and continue to revise their training manuals as well as pursuing qualifications such as BCDT Instr and BATLS/BARTS.

    Is it an occasionally frustrating experience, being a CMT who longs to get "hands on" with patients? Yes, of course it is. We train to patch up broken humans in an environment that does its best not to break humans - we don't have the benefit of the REME who can patch up broken vehicles all year round, or the R SIGNALS who can build their antennae whenever they like. There won't often be really "good" wounds for you to practice on if you re-badge to the RAMC. Bad feet, torn ligaments and bad backs are about as exciting as it gets in most Med Centres. But this is why training is so critical, so that when the sh** really does hit the fan, CMTs are nevertheless ready for it.

    And life in the RAMC really isn't all that bad.

    IF
     
  11. ViroBono

    ViroBono LE Moderator

    It seems to me that one of the problems with the CMT trade is some of the CMTs themselves. I have met some who are enthusiastic, skilled and eager to learn and progress; they tend also to be disillusioned at the lack of opportunity to use their clinical skills and constantly being in the shadow of nurses. I have also met some who I would not trust to peel potatoes - these people dent the credibilty of all CMTs. There needs to be better selection at recruiting - at the moment there seems to be an element of quota filling going on.

    The other problem is the way in which the Grey Mafia have spread their tentacles to take up so many jobs which could easily be accomplished by a competent CMT. That the QAs push their empire forward whilst the CMT seem to have weak representation is a reflection upon the higher echelons.

    I suspect that the only way to push forward with extending the clinical skills whilst also providing credibility is to split the trade at some point, with some specialising in clinical skills and progressing to paramedic level, whilst others go on to an admin track.
     
  12. I was a medic before i transfered to the QA's and i know a L/Cpl Sig who transfered to RAMC as a CMT, under pay 2000 you can't have a pay cut but you may have to mark time with your pay for a while like i'm having to do.

    My Sig mate who became a CMT kept his rank into reg, i think you can only only lose it if your only acting L/Cpl or have had it for less than 6 months.

    with regards to becoming a paramedic, no chance. as a CMT class 1 with BARTS and BATLS you are on par with civi medics with the skills but you do not have the bit of paper. they have been saying that all medics will be civi quillified for the last 6 years that i know of.

    life as a CMT is good but if you want a civi quilification as a paramedic then go civi. you can however do the civi course as part of the re-settlement package if you've done enough time.

    best thing to do is to go to your med center and talk to the CMT (NOT the RMA'S) there, s/he should have all the latest knowledge.
     
  13. thanks everyone for all there help and answering my questions. just a quick one on the civi quals thing my mate is a CMT (LCpl) and has just got his bit of paper telling him that he has the quals to be a paramedic in civi street. he said something about a degree/deploma or something, not too sure what he was on about but if anyone wants to know, give me a shout and i'll try to find out for you.

    thanks again
     
  14. Sorry I am a bit late on this thread but I have a question along the same lines but with one HUGE difference:

    I am also a Royal Signals L/Cpl who wishes to transfer BACK to the RAMC.

    Any thoughts on whether they would let me????

    cheers