Reasons for getting out

#1
I am at that point now when i am seriously considering getting out. Done just over 6 years. The problem is I really enjoy being in, like going on tour, having a certain wage at the end of the month what with mortgage etc and most importantly the crac with my mates.

However, small things have started to get on my nerves but, I really want to be a paramedic. This means I have to got to uni for at least 2 years as the system of qualifacation is changing. Do I really want to get out of what is really a comfort zone now that i have achieved the goals I set on joining.

Why have other people got out and have the regretted it / made the right decision. Were you still enjoying it at the time or was it driving you nuts?
 
#2
lochie99 said:
I am at that point now when i am seriously considering getting out. Done just over 6 years. The problem is I really enjoy being in, like going on tour, having a certain wage at the end of the month what with mortgage etc and most importantly the crac with my mates.

However, small things have started to get on my nerves but, I really want to be a paramedic. This means I have to got to uni for at least 2 years as the system of qualifacation is changing. Do I really want to get out of what is really a comfort zone now that i have achieved the goals I set on joining.
Why have other people got out and have the regretted it / made the right decision. Were you still enjoying it at the time or was it driving you nuts?
If your enjoying it why would you want out??? :? How you gunna keep up payments on your mortage when your out if your planning to go to uni?

If you have achieved all the goals you have set so far why not set some different ones now. If your intrested in the medical side of things why not do a medics course if your inf or maybe even consider a transfer to the medics if your that way inclined.

Just a thought.
 
#3
I got out mate, and I miss it, but I also know I made the correct decision.

I left in 2005 and haven't looked back since. Ok, I've been at uni, but I've had a great time, thus far. I

It's up to you to make the decision, but you can stay in the comfort zone, and always wonder, or you could leave and go for it.

Alternatively, have you considered staying in the Army, but doing a similar trade? Such as applying for the RAMC as a student nurse, and specialising as an A & E nurse?
 
#4
I fancy paramedic as well, My local service is always asking for them but the normal through the ranks method, ie driver/technician then paramedic dosn't seem to happen as they never advertise for driver/techs. I am aware at least one uni in england runs a 2 year course but that seems to long to be unemployed with no income. I would miss the money.
 
#5
amazing__lobster said:
It's up to you to make the decision, but you can stay in the comfort zone, and always wonder, or you could leave and go for it.
Staying in can also involve 'going for it' if you're that way inclined. Infact, in my experience, there is much more oportunity to do so in than out.
 
#6
Dragstrip said:
amazing__lobster said:
It's up to you to make the decision, but you can stay in the comfort zone, and always wonder, or you could leave and go for it.
Staying in can also involve 'going for it' if you're that way inclined. Infact, in my experience, there is much more oportunity to do so in than out.
Exactly.............set new goals within the army. There are plenty of opportunities if you willing to have a look.
 
#7
You could also rent your house out, to provide you with an income whilst you're at uni. I know a few mature student who have done this, and been quite comfortable whilst they're been at univeristy.
 
#8
Sorry, house is already rented out to a long term tenant and that covers most of the mortgage each month. I have been lucky to get chance to go on the road with the ambulances serveral times, and i know this is what i want to do now or later on. I cant really see me doing the full 22 and i am always looking for the challenge when in. Dont really fancy transfering to be a medics.

But like sum of the posters have said i have to make my own mind up in the end, just looking around for some others experience really.
 
#9
lochie99 said:
Why have other people got out?
Well... my blokes usually went with one of the following:

1. Because its fcuking pish, boss
2. This is shite
3. Ah cun fiern mah pul Shuggie. He's uh plumber an charges thoosands fir workin fir posh buds, cleanin their sink and giving them a guid pumpin' an that.
4. Ah'm gonna be a train driver, boss. Them conts git fower hunnerd ponds a week, y'ken? Fcukin pop star wagees an no cnut bags them fir enjoyin the buckie, see?

Did that help? Thought not.

For me it was:

1. Having achieved what I'd joined to do - leading men on ops - and being faced with more desk bound jobs.
2. Staying in was the course of least resistance. Leaving was a bigger challenge than most of the options available to me.
3. Disenchantment with over stretch. I really felt that we were fcuking the boys over with little hope in sight. So I felt guilty at being part of it and also aware that ( even with the lower op demands of an officer career ) family life would simply be easier outside.
4. Friends died. It was no longer a game.

lochie99 said:
and have the regretted it / made the right decision. Were you still enjoying it at the time or was it driving you nuts?
So, I wasn't enjoying it. I think that essentially I wasn't a committed enough soldier. Pre-2003 I think I would have cracked on through the phase and left later but the tempo of the army now forced the issue. In a seperate thread someone wrote "There have always been reasons to leave the Army, but now there are fewer to stay" and I think there's something in that. The very committed will stay and flourish regardless, but a greater number will choose to leave.

Do I miss it? Yes, but only parts of it, and if I am very honest I miss a selected few - certainly the banter. But, on balance, for me I'm better out in a strictly rational sense.

Emotionally, however, I think most people live with a degree of doubt for a good while after they leave.

Of course, nobody but you can make a decision for you. However make the decision confidently. The outside world isn't the land of milk and honey, but neither should you let it daunt you.

One of the things you'll have to get used to is thinking of yourself, first and foremost, when deciding where to go with your life. When you consider your options put aside loyalty to your mates and unit. The Army will get by when you've gone - not always a reassuring thought!

Above all think about what you and your family want and need.
In my personal opinion "Should I leave the Army?" is a much more important question to answer initially than "Should I leave the Army to become xxxxx, and therefore face xxxxxx difficulties?".

You could have a difficult transition ahead but I'd be very suprised if the mental aptitude, skills and resettlement package you'll leave the Army with won't equip you very well if you approach the problem in a positive way.

If your deliberations lead you to stay - great.

There are quite a few threads in this forum which I found useful, if you do a quick flick through the pages they should be easy to find.

Best of luck, either way.

Charlie
 
#10
Aaahh, here we are...

MODs - Any chance of making these "general advice" threads sticky?

"Is being a Civvy easier or harder than you expected?"
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=7103.html

"Ex-squaddies, what are you doing now?"
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=7000.html

"Why did you leave / want to leave?"
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=1400.html

One for Officers / SNCOs
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=18437.html

"Advice on Leaving"
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=4248.html

Charlie
 
#11
Cheers for those guys, some good pointers there.

Was an approved electricain before I joined so always got that to fall back on worst case, but its something that just requires more thought and deliberation as there are still challenges I can see from being in the army just asking the question to myself if they balance out the other crap that goes along with it.
 
#12
i left last year and i miss the social aspect of army life,
i don't miss the bullshit tho.or the constant promotion of D.S watchers. within the battalion i was in,

theres always the T.A and if its the ops your after ive been offered the chance to go on more ops in one year than i did in my whole 8 years in the army.since i left

oh and the moneys better in civy street
 
#13
Be careful in getting out for the wrong reasons, civvy street is not the all things to all people that some have the impression it is. In general civvy street can be a backstabbing two faced self centred place, where many ex squaddies find it hard to come to terms with.

Once you have accepted that no one is looking out for you, there is no support other than your family, and you are likely to be sacked at the drop of a hat it can be alright, But as I said earlier, getting out for the wrong reasons is generaly the problem, women and jobs never turn out to be what you expect them to be.

If you want to get onto a civvy training programme, you may find it helpful to be incarcerated in a civvy nick for a few months, as ex prisoners get a lot more help getting onto these course than ex soldiers.

I know this response is a little flippant but many of the points are real, if you are happy at the minute I would suggest as others have, get yourselve trained in the forces. Regimental medical assistant would probably be a good start.
 
#14
owen1923 said:
Be careful in getting out for the wrong reasons, civvy street is not the all things to all people that some have the impression it is. In general civvy street can be a backstabbing two faced self centred place, where many ex squaddies find it hard to come to terms with.

Once you have accepted that no one is looking out for you, there is no support other than your family, and you are likely to be sacked at the drop of a hat it can be alright, But as I said earlier, getting out for the wrong reasons is generaly the problem, women and jobs never turn out to be what you expect them to be.

If you want to get onto a civvy training programme, you may find it helpful to be incarcerated in a civvy nick for a few months, as ex prisoners get a lot more help getting onto these course than ex soldiers.

I know this response is a little flippant but many of the points are real, if you are happy at the minute I would suggest as others have, get yourselve trained in the forces. Regimental medical assistant would probably be a good start.
I detect a very bitter person here, your points are fairly flippant by your own admission but I would not say they are real.

Its is very hard to sack people in civvy street, they have to be total and utter cluster fcuks and you have to be able to proove they are. There are many backstabbing, two faced and self centred people in the Army aswell. The Army isnt all things to all people as a lot seem to think it is, either.

Having said that, civvy street is not a bed of roses :D remember the grass often looks greener on the other side. Personally I left and have not looked back. I haven't regretted the decision for one second and I miss very little, about the only thing I do miss are some mates but I keep intouch with them anyway.

I left at the 16 year point and it was by no means an easy decision to make, I have a mortgage, wife and 2 kids. One thing that actually made me realise I had made the right decision even before I got out was the interview processes. I had to see Tp OC, Sqn OC, CO, RCMO etc etc and not one of them could come up with any reason to stay in apart from the pension, that said a lot to me.

Good luck in whatever path you choose to take, if you put the work in it will work out either way I am sure. Don't get stuck in a 'comfort zone' and miss out on opportunities.
 
#15
It's very personal. There are great reasons to stay in the Army but equally, great reasons to leave.

Best thing I did was join. Second best thing I did was leave. Yes I miss it but not that much (...honest).

For me, the decision to go was when I knew I didn't want to be a lifer (and that was mainly driven by the fact that I got married and wanted to actually see my wife occasionally). I felt that if I wanted to have a civi career then I'd better not leave it too late. I left whilst I was young enough to start on another career path from the bottom.

On occasion, I feel a bit of jealousy when I see one of my old muckers back on leave but I have no regrets.
 
#16
BTW - I met more two faced back stabbers in the Army than I have so far in Civi street.

I expect people to be out for themselves in civi street so you prepare for it and it's a pleasant surprise when you find other wise. Conversely, I really didn't expect people to be like that in the Army so was extremely disappointed when I found the small minority who were.

(This is a bit of a tangent from the thread but -) I think the reasons for this are essentially about the ability to measure performance. For example, I work in a sales environment, so, I can see my exact performance compared to everyone around me (more or less). Also, civi companies are increasingly introducing 360 degree appraisals. That means that the people under you get to write a report on you - if you sh1t on your team to make yourself look good, this will be reflected in your appraisal. Nothing can really be gained from slating someone or kissing arrse, if your numbers aren't good, your cr@p, if they are good, your a star. Simple.
In the Army however (certainly in the infantry), measuring the actual performance of an officer/soldier can be rather subjective. Yes, if someone's really bad, it's obvious and vice versa, but seperating people is often down to perception. So, lots of really competitve people trying to get the top jobs and the top reports based on what their boss thinks of them on a difficult to measure subjective basis where there is no 360 appraisals can create an interesting situation. IMHO, this is one of the problem with 'career' officers, the pressure to put career first is very great. Personally, I always felt empowered to p1ss off anyone I felt I needeed to p1ss off if I felt it was the right thing to do, without worrying about how that might affect my career. This makes you a good boss if an occassional pain in the arrse for a CO/OC.
 
#17
xinflurker said:
It's very personal. There are great reasons to stay in the Army but equally, great reasons to leave.

Best thing I did was join. Second best thing I did was leave. Yes I miss it but not that much (...honest).

For me, the decision to go was when I knew I didn't want to be a lifer (and that was mainly driven by the fact that I got married and wanted to actually see my wife occasionally). I felt that if I wanted to have a civi career then I'd better not leave it too late. I left whilst I was young enough to start on another career path from the bottom.

On occasion, I feel a bit of jealousy when I see one of my old muckers back on leave but I have no regrets.
Ditto. I lost interest after I got married. Mind you this was back in the options for change period so there were other incentives.
Best decision I made, even throughout the hardships.
8)
 
#19
I don't know this lot. My mate was murdered a couple of months ago and a bloke turned up at his memorial service. I believe he was either his friend ( I'd never met him before ) or a paramedic who treated him on the night.

He left a card - just passing the info on.

J.W.
 
#20
Well final clicked the box on JPA, might as well get out now then January as I was thinking about. Filled a UCAS application in today so I am sure that will come back saying I am a dumb dumb and have to do an access course but the decision is made to leave which is the hard part.

The final straw having to tell someone I was going for lunch and that I was back after coming back off a op tour where I was the only brit operator in the country at one stage. Just 12 months too push and then off to student life. Better get saving.
 

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